The answers to yesterdays
Par Docks Query
Roger Aston, Phil Nall and Laurence Hansford
Par Docks Query
Roger Aston, Phil Nall and Laurence Hansford
Replies were received from three experts - many thanks to you all.
Par Docks Branch 2005 Copyright Andrew and Diane Jones
An enlargement of the above. Copyright Diane and Andrew Jones.
Received from Roger Aston at 11.22
The photo with the 09 shunter. The wagon is a standard special Bogie covered wagon with 2 sliding doors each side. It is owned and registered by Italian State Railways shown by the large FS logo and the number 31 (Bogie wagon railway operator owned ) 83 (Italy) The 279 5 number is the type of special l covered wagon. and the 096 is the serial number of this wagon in this serial. The last number is a computer check number that a computer would use to double check the number when being input ed to a system i.e train consist.
It is calculated by going through number using 2-1,i.e.
3 1 8 3 2 7 9 5 0 9 6
x 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
6 1 16 3 4 7 18 5 0 9 12 Then add the single digits in this case 54
take that from next higher 10 in this case 60 and check number is 60-54 = 6
In the coding Habfis the "f" shows built to UK loading and is equipped with extra shackle points for ferries gauge and the "s" that it can run loaded at 100kmh. This one also has the channel tunnel sticker introduced in 195 with opening of tunnel which shows photo incorrectly labeled.
I had 250 of these wagons when I was fleet engineer with Eisenbahh Verkhersmittel Akiongesellschaft owner of Cargowagon but of course they were numbered 33 (Bogie wagon TSI compliant) 80 Germany.
Best regards
Roger Aston
The photo with the 09 shunter. The wagon is a standard special Bogie covered wagon with 2 sliding doors each side. It is owned and registered by Italian State Railways shown by the large FS logo and the number 31 (Bogie wagon railway operator owned ) 83 (Italy) The 279 5 number is the type of special l covered wagon. and the 096 is the serial number of this wagon in this serial. The last number is a computer check number that a computer would use to double check the number when being input ed to a system i.e train consist.
It is calculated by going through number using 2-1,i.e.
3 1 8 3 2 7 9 5 0 9 6
x 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
6 1 16 3 4 7 18 5 0 9 12 Then add the single digits in this case 54
take that from next higher 10 in this case 60 and check number is 60-54 = 6
In the coding Habfis the "f" shows built to UK loading and is equipped with extra shackle points for ferries gauge and the "s" that it can run loaded at 100kmh. This one also has the channel tunnel sticker introduced in 195 with opening of tunnel which shows photo incorrectly labeled.
I had 250 of these wagons when I was fleet engineer with Eisenbahh Verkhersmittel Akiongesellschaft owner of Cargowagon but of course they were numbered 33 (Bogie wagon TSI compliant) 80 Germany.
Best regards
Roger Aston
Received from Phil Nall at 16.26
Good afternoon
The wagon pictured at Par is in fact what I came to know as a train ferry wagon which were used to transport goods to and from Europe. When I first started work back in the 1960's it was at LEP Transport in the City of London and I was assigned to the train ferry department. This was in far happier times when very few international lorries were to be found on our roads and nearly all merchandise to/from Europe was carried by rail. All European railway organisations possessed a quantity of varying types such as covered vans, flats, well-wagons, refrigerator vans, etc. and the reason they were referred to as train ferry wagons was due to the fact that they were certified to travel on train ferries which at that time operated via Dover/Dunkirk and Harwich/Zeebrugge. I guess that now (assuming that they are still in existence) they would travel via the Channel Tunnel. The example pictured would have been in the ownership of Italian State Railways hence the FS letter code. A most interesting type was that owned by Transfesa, the Spanish company, whose wagons changed axles at the French/Spanish border due to the different track gauge in Spain.
I hope this might be of interest to you.
All the best and keep up the good work on your most interesting daily news page - Phil Nall
Good afternoon
The wagon pictured at Par is in fact what I came to know as a train ferry wagon which were used to transport goods to and from Europe. When I first started work back in the 1960's it was at LEP Transport in the City of London and I was assigned to the train ferry department. This was in far happier times when very few international lorries were to be found on our roads and nearly all merchandise to/from Europe was carried by rail. All European railway organisations possessed a quantity of varying types such as covered vans, flats, well-wagons, refrigerator vans, etc. and the reason they were referred to as train ferry wagons was due to the fact that they were certified to travel on train ferries which at that time operated via Dover/Dunkirk and Harwich/Zeebrugge. I guess that now (assuming that they are still in existence) they would travel via the Channel Tunnel. The example pictured would have been in the ownership of Italian State Railways hence the FS letter code. A most interesting type was that owned by Transfesa, the Spanish company, whose wagons changed axles at the French/Spanish border due to the different track gauge in Spain.
I hope this might be of interest to you.
All the best and keep up the good work on your most interesting daily news page - Phil Nall
Received from Laurence Hansford at 20.21
Hi Keith,
I can help narrow down the search for the identity of the unfamiliar looking wagon seen at Par Harbour in 1975. As soon as I saw the FS logo on it I knew it belonged to Ferrovia Statale Italiana, the state owned Italian railway system (there were, and still are, a number of quite large independent networks). This was the logo they used in the 70s and 80s, and they have gone through a variety of styles since culminating in the current network being called “Trenitalia”.
Anybody curious enough can look here (an Italian collection of all sorts of corporate logos):-
www.museodelmarchioitaliano.com/route1/ferrovie-dello-stato.php
Here you will find many of the different logos used by Italian State Railways over the years; just scroll through and you will find this one at no 26 (approx.) I can’t help with actual details about this class of wagon but I dare say it is all there on the internet for those keen enough to search. At least this should point in the right direction.
Stay well,
Laurence Hansford
Hi Keith,
I can help narrow down the search for the identity of the unfamiliar looking wagon seen at Par Harbour in 1975. As soon as I saw the FS logo on it I knew it belonged to Ferrovia Statale Italiana, the state owned Italian railway system (there were, and still are, a number of quite large independent networks). This was the logo they used in the 70s and 80s, and they have gone through a variety of styles since culminating in the current network being called “Trenitalia”.
Anybody curious enough can look here (an Italian collection of all sorts of corporate logos):-
www.museodelmarchioitaliano.com/route1/ferrovie-dello-stato.php
Here you will find many of the different logos used by Italian State Railways over the years; just scroll through and you will find this one at no 26 (approx.) I can’t help with actual details about this class of wagon but I dare say it is all there on the internet for those keen enough to search. At least this should point in the right direction.
Stay well,
Laurence Hansford
Rather a specialised subject about which I was delighted to have no less than three quick most interesting responses. Many thanks to you all (Roger, Phil and Laurence) for taking the time to write in.
Two shots at
Kinsteignton
Ron Kosys
Kinsteignton
Ron Kosys
The two different shots that were possible at Kingsteignton.
47490 Kingsteignton 24th June 1989 with the 0835 Saturdays Liverpool to Penzance
47445 Kingsteignton 5th August 1989 with the 0638 Saturdays Milton Keynes Central to Penzance.
This train was booked a West Coast set complete with DVT that was on the rear on the outward leg.
47490 Kingsteignton 24th June 1989 with the 0835 Saturdays Liverpool to Penzance
47445 Kingsteignton 5th August 1989 with the 0638 Saturdays Milton Keynes Central to Penzance.
This train was booked a West Coast set complete with DVT that was on the rear on the outward leg.
47490 at Kingsteignton on the 24th June 1989 with the 08.35 Saturdays Liverpool to Penzance. Copyright Ron Kosys.
Five weeks later 47445 at Kingsteignton with the 06.38 Saturday Milton Keynes to Penzance. 5th August 1989. Copyright Ron Kosys.
Many thanks Ron for your pictures and details - we remember that DVT working down.
Rewe
Paul Barlow
Paul Barlow
Today Paul brings us this view which in addition to the usual farmhouse includes properties which form the hamlet of Rewe . 145132 works the 1054 Paignton to Leeds 1E37 Rewe. 28th November 1981. Copyright Paul Barlow.
Many thanks Paul.