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Welcome to the
Cornwall Railway Society Website
February 2019
Contact via general@cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk
Quote :- A website that provides a nice balance of the current WR railway scene while also reminding us of its rich and varied past enabling younger generations to find out what they missed and bringing back happy memories for older generations of a railway that no longer exists.
The CRS adheres to UK copyright law. We are aware, however, in this age of multiple media, of the difficulties involved. Any breach of copyright found on this website is inadvertent: any suspected breach should be reported to the webmaster.
Please note
If you wish to send in pictures of current events we must receive them within hours. The next day may not be soon enough - the choice of pictures is at our discretion. A picture size of 1.5 MByte is ideal for the website
Cornwall Railway Society Website
February 2019
Contact via general@cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk
Quote :- A website that provides a nice balance of the current WR railway scene while also reminding us of its rich and varied past enabling younger generations to find out what they missed and bringing back happy memories for older generations of a railway that no longer exists.
The CRS adheres to UK copyright law. We are aware, however, in this age of multiple media, of the difficulties involved. Any breach of copyright found on this website is inadvertent: any suspected breach should be reported to the webmaster.
Please note
If you wish to send in pictures of current events we must receive them within hours. The next day may not be soon enough - the choice of pictures is at our discretion. A picture size of 1.5 MByte is ideal for the website
We add several pictures on most days - take a look.
N.B Many of the pictures on this web site are from the Mike Morant Collection to see more of these go to his Home Page at https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/ or just the British part of the site at mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles Or https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles
Exeter West Signalbox Being dismantled in 1985 Copyright Peter Jordan
Looking pretty as a picture Exeter West Signal box at Crewe in August 2004 Copyright Peter Jordan
Former Exeter Gas Works No 1 seen at its home at Buckfastleigh Copyright Ron Kosys N.B. The Gas Works was located at Exeter City Basin.
What's New
* The 'Looe Brush Railtour' - take a look at our comprehensive collection of pictures of the very successful railtour. Congratulations to the Branchline Society. Click here and scroll down.
* Peter Jordan writes about the mammoth task of moving Exeter West Signalbox to a safe home at Crewe. Click here and scroll down.
* We take a look at Exeter City Basin branch. Click here and scroll down.
FOR AERIAL VIEWS - try this website http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk
Loads of old aerial pics, black and white, some go back to 1920s etc. Great ones of Plymouth, Tavistock (particularly good one of Tavistock South) and many other interesting places, loads of railway stuff.
Loads of old aerial pics, black and white, some go back to 1920s etc. Great ones of Plymouth, Tavistock (particularly good one of Tavistock South) and many other interesting places, loads of railway stuff.
*** PLEASE NOTE - Other sources of Cornish Pictures ***
Andrew Kirkham has kindly agreed to us advertising his excellent site is Andrew Kirkham. With his website Andrew makes available many superb pictures taken in Cornwall. click below:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/albums/72157636828119615/with/10419848883/
Andrew Kirkham has kindly agreed to us advertising his excellent site is Andrew Kirkham. With his website Andrew makes available many superb pictures taken in Cornwall. click below:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/albums/72157636828119615/with/10419848883/
Cornish Video - Martin Baker has advised us of an excellent 3 hour video on YouTube, to see this click below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj2UxPqQvF8&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj2UxPqQvF8&t=1s
About our pictures.
The Cornwall Railway Society website, which has been on line since May 2010, was originally planned just to advertise the activities of the society and give details of the organisation and history of the Society. It has, however, since developed into site where enthusiasts can obtain the latest news on the railway scene and go for pictures of the railways in the West Country past and present. We have also recorded some of the many rail tours which have visited the counties,
If you have any pictures of your own of general railway interest which you would like to see on the site we’d be only too pleased to receive them. Please provide full details with your submissions – they must be your own work, or submitted with the owners permission – they must not be copyright pictures. You may copy pictures for your own use but please ask the copyright holder for permission. Pictures from the CRS website should NOT be used for public shows or displays without permission. It would be impolite so to do.
To copy and alter the name of the copyright holder to your own is nothing short of stealing.
The website gratefully acknowledges the input received from our major sources of material The late John Cornelius, Roger Geach, Mike Morant, Craig Munday, Chris Osment, Mike Roach, Trevor Tremethick, Roger Salter, The late Sid Sponheimer , David Tozer , Guy Vincent, and Roger Winnen.
Much appreciation is also expressed to the following for their contributions. Many thanks to :- Dave Adams, Matthew Addelsee, Ken Adlam, Cameron Allen, John Alsop. David Andrews, Steve Andrews, Mike Allen, Mark Annand, David Antony, Roger Aston, Bill Avery, John Ball, Paul Barlow, Keith Barrow, Dick Barry, David Bastion, Roger & Dawn Battershill, Barnard Bates, Sarah Batten, Ewan Baxter, Dave Beckerleg, David and the late Theo Beckett, Andrew Bellis, Phillip Benham, Christopher J Bellett, Dennis Berry, Caroline Bland, Richard Bohill, Graham Bowden, David Bown, Matthew Bradley, John Brodribb, Angela Brock, Ben Brooksbank, Ian Bunnett, Stephen Burdett, Peter Bragg, Mark Branner, Mark Brown, Derek Books, Peter and Mark Bragg, Matthew Buck, Colin Burgess, Paul Burkhalter, Peter Butt, Derek Buttivant and Heather Buttivant, Paul Cambridge, Rupert Chalkley, Derek Carloss, Steve Carter, Lorraine Cave, Martin Chiswell, Martin Clark, Tony Clark, David Collings, Tony Cooke, David Cook, Tim Comer, John Cornelius, Jarrard Cotter, Leslie Curnow, Eric Curnow, Maurice Dart, Ian Dinmore, Jeremy Doe, Phil Duddridge, Jamie Dyke, Nick Dyke, Andy Elms, Fred Elton, Martin Duff, Justin Edwards, Mike Eddowes, Steve Elliott, J. Eyres, Dan Engstrom, Robert Evans, Charles Fennamore, Dave Field, Chris Finan, Barbara Fisher, David Forty, Michael Forward, Stewart Frazer, Ian Gall, Rod Garner, Nick & Alec Gaskell, Roger Gee, Linda Getman, Matt Geyman, Maureen Glanville, Trevor Goldsworthy, Jon Gough, Shirley Gray, Jim Green, Kyle Greet, Ross Griffiths, Brian Grigg, Colin Grover, John, Sheila and Aidan Hall, Phil Hadley, Brian Haig , Jacob Hampson, Bill Haines, Edward Hannan, Jacob Hampson, Lawrence Hansford, Edward Hannan, Julian A Hanwell, Peggy Le Hanwell, Alan Harris, Richard Hays, Daniel Harris, Graham Harris, Geoffrey Harrison, Darren Hart, Roy Hart, Chris Harvey, David Hayball, William Heggie, David Hibberd, Tony Hill, Barry Hilton, Jon Hird, the late Cyril Hitchens and Mike Hitchens MBE, Jon Hird, The late Adrian Hoblyn, Ivor Hocking, Richard Holladay, the Late Keith Holt, Tom Holway, James Howitt, Simon Howard, Mick House, Tim Hughes, Geoff Hurrell. Mick Hymans, Rob Iredale, David Ive, Chris Jenkin, Kevin & Peter Jenkin, Nathan John, Andrew Jones, Barry Jones, Neil Johnson, Oliver Kyte, Jon Kelsey, John Keohane, Adrian King, Will Kilner, Andy Kirkham, Ron Kosys, Nick Kiszczuk, Darren Kitson, Richard Kitson, Langport and District History Group - Janet Seaton, Mark Lancaster, Ian Lane, Geoff Leonard, Jim Lewis, Robert Lindley, Rob Lomas, Mike Loze, John Lloyd, Late Keith Lloyd, Barry Lucas, Allen Linning, Mark Lynan, Alastair MacLean, Nick Madden, Tim Maddocks, Steve Marshall, Paul Martin. Roger Marsh, James May, Ken Mumford, Kath Jones, Kevin Jones, Graham Mann, Graham G. Matthews (Work of the late W.F. Ivey), Geoff Matthews, Ian McDonald, Kim McMillan-Staff, Ian McKey, David Mathieson, Victor Menhennet, Bernard & Audrey Mills, Andy Miller, Jon Morley, Colin Moss, Morven Munday, Lynn & Peter Murnaghan, Mike Mycetes, Tony Newman, Geoff Nicholas, Doug Nicholls, Terry Nichols, Kevin Meagor, Peter O'Brien, Jon Morley, The late Cedric Owen, th late Dave Pagett, Roy Palmer, Lawrence Parker, Robert Parry, Late Edwin Pascoe, Mike Paterson, David Pearce, John Penny, Robert Perry, Steve Perryman, Colin Pidgeon, Scot, Hannah & Alan Peters, Neil Phillips, Wayne Phillips, Brian & Patricia Pibworth, Colin Pidgeon, Simon Ponter, David Pool, David Potter, Ian Pollock, Roger Pyke, Peter Radford, Anne Rawle, Kevin Redwood, Kevin Regan, Colin Retallick,the late Dr. Frank Richards, Steve Richards, Andy and Vivian Richards, Terry Richards, Steve Rickett, Andy Rigler, John Root, Paul Roach, John Roberts, Phill Rundle, Paul Rundle, Geoff Ryall, Martin Scane, Lewis Slee, the late Michael Slee, Geoff Salmon, Peter Salmon, Emma Shard, Mr. Sibthorpe, Claire Sheppard,John Simmons, Roger Smith, Tristan Smith, Clive Smith, Stuart Smith, Kat Smith, Vic Smith, Clive Smith, Les Smitham, Trevor Snell, Nigel Spate, Fred Speare, the late Frank Sperritt, Pat Sperritt, Steve Spingys, Andy Stace, the late John Stamp, Paul and the late John Stanford, Nathan Stockman, Julian Stephens, Eric Stuart, Peter Sutton, Nigel & Ben Tambling, The late Bob Taylor, Malcolm Taylor, Liz and Tom Thompson (St Agnes Museum), Andrew Thompson, Rob Thomas, John Thorn, Gareth Thornton, Garth Tilt, David Tozer, Nigel Tregoning, Phil Tremain, Phil Trevena, Andrew Triggs, Nick Trudgian, Roger Tabb, Mike Thomas, Late Jack Trounson, Ollie Turrell, Adrian Vaughan, Mrs Vera Vigus, Guy Vincent, Charlotte Vincent, Keith Webber, Shane Webster, South West Circle, Terry Waldron, Hugh Waters, Richard Watts, Lisa Welch, Mike Ware, Keith Watkins, Shane Webster, Michael West, Ron & Jenny Westwater, Steve Widdowson, the late Jonathan Wood, Robert Woodhouse, Charles Woodland, Tony Wright and Syd Young,
We are most grateful to Mrs. Zsuzsanna Wood for her permission to place on this site the work of her late husband John Wood. Similar appreciation is expressed to the late Mrs. Phyllis English for her permission to place on this site the work of her late husband Patrick English.
The Cornwall Railway Society website, which has been on line since May 2010, was originally planned just to advertise the activities of the society and give details of the organisation and history of the Society. It has, however, since developed into site where enthusiasts can obtain the latest news on the railway scene and go for pictures of the railways in the West Country past and present. We have also recorded some of the many rail tours which have visited the counties,
If you have any pictures of your own of general railway interest which you would like to see on the site we’d be only too pleased to receive them. Please provide full details with your submissions – they must be your own work, or submitted with the owners permission – they must not be copyright pictures. You may copy pictures for your own use but please ask the copyright holder for permission. Pictures from the CRS website should NOT be used for public shows or displays without permission. It would be impolite so to do.
To copy and alter the name of the copyright holder to your own is nothing short of stealing.
The website gratefully acknowledges the input received from our major sources of material The late John Cornelius, Roger Geach, Mike Morant, Craig Munday, Chris Osment, Mike Roach, Trevor Tremethick, Roger Salter, The late Sid Sponheimer , David Tozer , Guy Vincent, and Roger Winnen.
Much appreciation is also expressed to the following for their contributions. Many thanks to :- Dave Adams, Matthew Addelsee, Ken Adlam, Cameron Allen, John Alsop. David Andrews, Steve Andrews, Mike Allen, Mark Annand, David Antony, Roger Aston, Bill Avery, John Ball, Paul Barlow, Keith Barrow, Dick Barry, David Bastion, Roger & Dawn Battershill, Barnard Bates, Sarah Batten, Ewan Baxter, Dave Beckerleg, David and the late Theo Beckett, Andrew Bellis, Phillip Benham, Christopher J Bellett, Dennis Berry, Caroline Bland, Richard Bohill, Graham Bowden, David Bown, Matthew Bradley, John Brodribb, Angela Brock, Ben Brooksbank, Ian Bunnett, Stephen Burdett, Peter Bragg, Mark Branner, Mark Brown, Derek Books, Peter and Mark Bragg, Matthew Buck, Colin Burgess, Paul Burkhalter, Peter Butt, Derek Buttivant and Heather Buttivant, Paul Cambridge, Rupert Chalkley, Derek Carloss, Steve Carter, Lorraine Cave, Martin Chiswell, Martin Clark, Tony Clark, David Collings, Tony Cooke, David Cook, Tim Comer, John Cornelius, Jarrard Cotter, Leslie Curnow, Eric Curnow, Maurice Dart, Ian Dinmore, Jeremy Doe, Phil Duddridge, Jamie Dyke, Nick Dyke, Andy Elms, Fred Elton, Martin Duff, Justin Edwards, Mike Eddowes, Steve Elliott, J. Eyres, Dan Engstrom, Robert Evans, Charles Fennamore, Dave Field, Chris Finan, Barbara Fisher, David Forty, Michael Forward, Stewart Frazer, Ian Gall, Rod Garner, Nick & Alec Gaskell, Roger Gee, Linda Getman, Matt Geyman, Maureen Glanville, Trevor Goldsworthy, Jon Gough, Shirley Gray, Jim Green, Kyle Greet, Ross Griffiths, Brian Grigg, Colin Grover, John, Sheila and Aidan Hall, Phil Hadley, Brian Haig , Jacob Hampson, Bill Haines, Edward Hannan, Jacob Hampson, Lawrence Hansford, Edward Hannan, Julian A Hanwell, Peggy Le Hanwell, Alan Harris, Richard Hays, Daniel Harris, Graham Harris, Geoffrey Harrison, Darren Hart, Roy Hart, Chris Harvey, David Hayball, William Heggie, David Hibberd, Tony Hill, Barry Hilton, Jon Hird, the late Cyril Hitchens and Mike Hitchens MBE, Jon Hird, The late Adrian Hoblyn, Ivor Hocking, Richard Holladay, the Late Keith Holt, Tom Holway, James Howitt, Simon Howard, Mick House, Tim Hughes, Geoff Hurrell. Mick Hymans, Rob Iredale, David Ive, Chris Jenkin, Kevin & Peter Jenkin, Nathan John, Andrew Jones, Barry Jones, Neil Johnson, Oliver Kyte, Jon Kelsey, John Keohane, Adrian King, Will Kilner, Andy Kirkham, Ron Kosys, Nick Kiszczuk, Darren Kitson, Richard Kitson, Langport and District History Group - Janet Seaton, Mark Lancaster, Ian Lane, Geoff Leonard, Jim Lewis, Robert Lindley, Rob Lomas, Mike Loze, John Lloyd, Late Keith Lloyd, Barry Lucas, Allen Linning, Mark Lynan, Alastair MacLean, Nick Madden, Tim Maddocks, Steve Marshall, Paul Martin. Roger Marsh, James May, Ken Mumford, Kath Jones, Kevin Jones, Graham Mann, Graham G. Matthews (Work of the late W.F. Ivey), Geoff Matthews, Ian McDonald, Kim McMillan-Staff, Ian McKey, David Mathieson, Victor Menhennet, Bernard & Audrey Mills, Andy Miller, Jon Morley, Colin Moss, Morven Munday, Lynn & Peter Murnaghan, Mike Mycetes, Tony Newman, Geoff Nicholas, Doug Nicholls, Terry Nichols, Kevin Meagor, Peter O'Brien, Jon Morley, The late Cedric Owen, th late Dave Pagett, Roy Palmer, Lawrence Parker, Robert Parry, Late Edwin Pascoe, Mike Paterson, David Pearce, John Penny, Robert Perry, Steve Perryman, Colin Pidgeon, Scot, Hannah & Alan Peters, Neil Phillips, Wayne Phillips, Brian & Patricia Pibworth, Colin Pidgeon, Simon Ponter, David Pool, David Potter, Ian Pollock, Roger Pyke, Peter Radford, Anne Rawle, Kevin Redwood, Kevin Regan, Colin Retallick,the late Dr. Frank Richards, Steve Richards, Andy and Vivian Richards, Terry Richards, Steve Rickett, Andy Rigler, John Root, Paul Roach, John Roberts, Phill Rundle, Paul Rundle, Geoff Ryall, Martin Scane, Lewis Slee, the late Michael Slee, Geoff Salmon, Peter Salmon, Emma Shard, Mr. Sibthorpe, Claire Sheppard,John Simmons, Roger Smith, Tristan Smith, Clive Smith, Stuart Smith, Kat Smith, Vic Smith, Clive Smith, Les Smitham, Trevor Snell, Nigel Spate, Fred Speare, the late Frank Sperritt, Pat Sperritt, Steve Spingys, Andy Stace, the late John Stamp, Paul and the late John Stanford, Nathan Stockman, Julian Stephens, Eric Stuart, Peter Sutton, Nigel & Ben Tambling, The late Bob Taylor, Malcolm Taylor, Liz and Tom Thompson (St Agnes Museum), Andrew Thompson, Rob Thomas, John Thorn, Gareth Thornton, Garth Tilt, David Tozer, Nigel Tregoning, Phil Tremain, Phil Trevena, Andrew Triggs, Nick Trudgian, Roger Tabb, Mike Thomas, Late Jack Trounson, Ollie Turrell, Adrian Vaughan, Mrs Vera Vigus, Guy Vincent, Charlotte Vincent, Keith Webber, Shane Webster, South West Circle, Terry Waldron, Hugh Waters, Richard Watts, Lisa Welch, Mike Ware, Keith Watkins, Shane Webster, Michael West, Ron & Jenny Westwater, Steve Widdowson, the late Jonathan Wood, Robert Woodhouse, Charles Woodland, Tony Wright and Syd Young,
We are most grateful to Mrs. Zsuzsanna Wood for her permission to place on this site the work of her late husband John Wood. Similar appreciation is expressed to the late Mrs. Phyllis English for her permission to place on this site the work of her late husband Patrick English.
References :- a list of books and pubications commonly referred to at the foot of this page
The current Cornwall Railway Society Magazine cover and details of contents.
The Water tank at St Ives loco shed, with frozen overflow, during one of the hard winters of the early 1960's Copyright Laurence Hansford
2-4-2 No. E762, Lyn climbing towards Woody Bay station on the Lynton & Barnstable Railway. New Years Day 2019. Copyright John Gilbert
References :-
Extensive references have been made to the invaluable publications of Tony Cooke (R.A.Cooke). Namely the Atlas of the GWR 1947 and also various of his Track Layout Diagrams. We are also most grateful to Tony for further information supplied.
Brunels Cornish Viaducts John Binding
Clinkers Register of Closed Stations The late C.R. Clinker
The Railways of Cornwall 1809-1963 The late C.R. Clinker
More Cornwall Railways Remembered Stephen F. Heginbotham
LSWR Then and now Mac Hawkins
Midland Press books - various
Newquay branch and its branches John Vaughan
Devonport Dockyard Railway Paul Burkhalter
B.R. Gradient Profiles Ian Allen
GWR Timetables
Branch Line Society Notes prepared by Maurice Dart
Backtracking around Friary, Laira and the Plym By Bernard Mills
The Teign Valley line by L.W. Pomery
Track Layout Diagrams of the G.W.R. & B.R. (W.R.) - various sections
North Devon Clay by Michael Messenger
Red for Danger by LTC Rolt.
The last years of the Somerset and Dorset by Colin Maggs.
Historical Survey of the S & D, C.W. Judge & C.R. Potts
The Somerset and Dorset in the 50's & 60's - Vols 1 to 4. By Ivo Peters
The Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway Kevin Clapcott, Very useful notes on Web
Lines to Avonmouth by Mike Vincent
Reflections on the Portishead branch by Mike Vincent
Tramways of the West of England by P.W. Gentry
The Calne Branch by Colin C. Maggs - published by Wild Swan
The Weymouth Harbour Tramway in the Steam Era by Gerry Beale
West Country Railway History by David St John Thomas
The Princetown Branch by Antony R. Kingdom
The Helston Railway - Past & Present" published by Silverlink (Past & Present Publishing Ltd) in May 2012 to mark the 125th Anniversary (to the day) of the opening of the line. By Chris Heaps.
North Cornwall Railway - the late Dave Wroe.
Through the Countyside and Coalfield by Mike Vincent.
Plymouth's Hidden Railways by Paul Burkhalter.
Maurice Darts CD 'CLAY LINES' is now available from the shop at Wheal Martyn Museum, Cathew, St Austell. PL26 8XG. Please phone for opening hours or further details. 01726 850362. The price at the shop is £8.50 or by post £10.50 ALSO STATE WHETHER YOU WANT HIS FIRST CD 'CLAY LINES' or his 'SECOND CD' - Also well worth viewing
St Annes tunnel between Bath and Bristol. 5th May 2018 Copyright Roger Winnen
Amber Lights for the website!
The train above is approaching a double amber signal at St Annes tunnel between Bath and Bristol. Like the train I feel that the website is also approaching a need to slow down somewhat –we’ve been going for some seven years now and grown from what was intended to be simply an Advertisement for the Cornwall Railway Society into something much bigger.
The first pictures to appear on our website were a few which I took during the dismantling of the Chacewater to Newquay branch. Pictures were added to this section and it was very soon realised that we needed to split our collection into the Cornish Branches and the Main line with the main line being split into several sections or pages. Originally there was never any intention to go beyond Plymouth – however we did and the collection is now limited to the boundaries created by the ‘Freedom of the South West’ Railrover.
Each section covered is termed a ‘Page’. i.e. there are separate pages for all the branch lines and it soon became apparent of the need to split the Cornish Main line into sections or pages as well.
There is a limit to the number of pictures which can be placed on each page – that is around about 100 images. We find that loading more than this number can become very tedious – the process slows down to 4 to 5 minutes per picture. The Southern section from Exeter to Salisbury was split into several sections and even this takes a lot of time. Similarly the Taunton to Westbury section was split in two – this took twenty actual hours.
Whilst we can create additional pages to cater for more images there is a practical limit in the number of pages we can create.
We have a fresh page ready for the Quadrupling of the Filton Bank and the line onwards to Cardiff we can thus start adding to this in due course.
With the problems of loading pictures onto already full pages you will appreciate that we are approaching the limit for the size of this site.
It looks like we can still continue with the News Section but material may have to be otherwise limited – I hope you will understand.
KJ
The train above is approaching a double amber signal at St Annes tunnel between Bath and Bristol. Like the train I feel that the website is also approaching a need to slow down somewhat –we’ve been going for some seven years now and grown from what was intended to be simply an Advertisement for the Cornwall Railway Society into something much bigger.
The first pictures to appear on our website were a few which I took during the dismantling of the Chacewater to Newquay branch. Pictures were added to this section and it was very soon realised that we needed to split our collection into the Cornish Branches and the Main line with the main line being split into several sections or pages. Originally there was never any intention to go beyond Plymouth – however we did and the collection is now limited to the boundaries created by the ‘Freedom of the South West’ Railrover.
Each section covered is termed a ‘Page’. i.e. there are separate pages for all the branch lines and it soon became apparent of the need to split the Cornish Main line into sections or pages as well.
There is a limit to the number of pictures which can be placed on each page – that is around about 100 images. We find that loading more than this number can become very tedious – the process slows down to 4 to 5 minutes per picture. The Southern section from Exeter to Salisbury was split into several sections and even this takes a lot of time. Similarly the Taunton to Westbury section was split in two – this took twenty actual hours.
Whilst we can create additional pages to cater for more images there is a practical limit in the number of pages we can create.
We have a fresh page ready for the Quadrupling of the Filton Bank and the line onwards to Cardiff we can thus start adding to this in due course.
With the problems of loading pictures onto already full pages you will appreciate that we are approaching the limit for the size of this site.
It looks like we can still continue with the News Section but material may have to be otherwise limited – I hope you will understand.
KJ