Bodmin Road to Padstow
A most excellent collection of old railway films has come to the net from Cornish Memories.Com Just click here to see them http://cornishmemory.com/items/browse?search=diesel
The first entitled Bodmin Rd to Padstow is actually from Padstow to Bodmin Road - it lasts for 11 mins and includes Padstow station, Little Petherick Creek bridge, lineside and on train sequences including Wadebridge, Grogley, Nanstallon, Boscarne Exchange (See the Bodmin N connection), Bodmin General and Bodmin Road.
The second entitled Plymouth to Fowey is actually Lostwithiel to Fowey. A film of almost ten minutes comprises a fascinating journey in both directions along the branch - see Golant, a run past the busy docks and round the bend into Fowey Station. Plus a glimpse inside Fowey Box.
The third Plymouth - Saltash two minute film is actually from Lostwithiel to Plymouth. Lostwithiel station views, approach to Liskeard, Shillingham tunnel, glimpse of the Weard loop, The Royal Albert Bridge and the road bridge under construction, glimpse of Devonport Docks then the approach to Plymouth including Plymouth West Signalbox - this closed 26th November 1960.
Cornwall Memories. Com deserve a very hearty congratulations on making these long gone scenes available to the world. What memories they stir up.
More memories:- Andrew Jones very kindly sent in the link to some Youtube footage from Bodmin North, Wadebridge and extensive working at Padstow.
The initial frames include the German built 4 wheel Dmu, which in the last years of the branch operated a shuttle from Boscarne Junction to Bodmin North. ( although not confined entirely to this duty, as I once travelled to Padstow on this unit).
We then pass by Langs fish and chips, now ‘Barneys’ and the main road crossing into Wadebridge Station.
Following on, we have a very rare glimpse from the Rock side of the estuary, of a ‘bubble car’ travelling towards and crossing the Little Petherick iron bridge.
I travelled on this unit, just weeks before closure, on the school train, which believe me was packed.
Finally we have extensive coverage of 4-6-2 West Country Class 21C120 (34020) ‘Seaton’, running round at Padstow.
The West Country Class, Bullied Light Pacifics, were introduced in 1945. Their 18 ton axle rating enabled them to work almost everywhere on the Southern Region.
34001-34048 were all named after West Country locations, 34049-34090 were named to commemorate the ‘Battle of Britain’, 34091-34108 were again West Country Locations and the last two 34109 and 34110 were again named after the ‘Battle of Britain’
Their distinctive air smoothed casing gave them the nick name ‘Spam Cans’, only 60 had their casing removed during rebuilding, which paradoxically increased the weight and restricted the rebuilds use on the system.
Memories are made of this! Click below to enjoy this.
https://youtu.be/t-HIsTyqWDo
The first entitled Bodmin Rd to Padstow is actually from Padstow to Bodmin Road - it lasts for 11 mins and includes Padstow station, Little Petherick Creek bridge, lineside and on train sequences including Wadebridge, Grogley, Nanstallon, Boscarne Exchange (See the Bodmin N connection), Bodmin General and Bodmin Road.
The second entitled Plymouth to Fowey is actually Lostwithiel to Fowey. A film of almost ten minutes comprises a fascinating journey in both directions along the branch - see Golant, a run past the busy docks and round the bend into Fowey Station. Plus a glimpse inside Fowey Box.
The third Plymouth - Saltash two minute film is actually from Lostwithiel to Plymouth. Lostwithiel station views, approach to Liskeard, Shillingham tunnel, glimpse of the Weard loop, The Royal Albert Bridge and the road bridge under construction, glimpse of Devonport Docks then the approach to Plymouth including Plymouth West Signalbox - this closed 26th November 1960.
Cornwall Memories. Com deserve a very hearty congratulations on making these long gone scenes available to the world. What memories they stir up.
More memories:- Andrew Jones very kindly sent in the link to some Youtube footage from Bodmin North, Wadebridge and extensive working at Padstow.
The initial frames include the German built 4 wheel Dmu, which in the last years of the branch operated a shuttle from Boscarne Junction to Bodmin North. ( although not confined entirely to this duty, as I once travelled to Padstow on this unit).
We then pass by Langs fish and chips, now ‘Barneys’ and the main road crossing into Wadebridge Station.
Following on, we have a very rare glimpse from the Rock side of the estuary, of a ‘bubble car’ travelling towards and crossing the Little Petherick iron bridge.
I travelled on this unit, just weeks before closure, on the school train, which believe me was packed.
Finally we have extensive coverage of 4-6-2 West Country Class 21C120 (34020) ‘Seaton’, running round at Padstow.
The West Country Class, Bullied Light Pacifics, were introduced in 1945. Their 18 ton axle rating enabled them to work almost everywhere on the Southern Region.
34001-34048 were all named after West Country locations, 34049-34090 were named to commemorate the ‘Battle of Britain’, 34091-34108 were again West Country Locations and the last two 34109 and 34110 were again named after the ‘Battle of Britain’
Their distinctive air smoothed casing gave them the nick name ‘Spam Cans’, only 60 had their casing removed during rebuilding, which paradoxically increased the weight and restricted the rebuilds use on the system.
Memories are made of this! Click below to enjoy this.
https://youtu.be/t-HIsTyqWDo
There are also some comprehensive notes on the demolition in the Wadebridge area at the end of this section kindly supplied by Andrew Jones,
Credits, Many thanks to all contributors - please see a list on the home page.
Members and general visitors to the CRS site will be interested in visiting http://www.railmaponline.com From the opening page a full map of the UK can be accessed which can then be enlarged to show every railway line in the UK. Not just today's network but lines from the past have been overlaid. As you zoom in sidings and even tramways become visible.
A valuable tip from Guy Vincent.
A valuable tip from Guy Vincent.
N.B Click on picture to obtain an enlargement and further details
BODMIN ROAD - BODMIN GENERAL
You must try this link - the last trains to Wadebridge. A quick note from Andrew Jones, I found the on the BFI site https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-the-bodmin-and-wadebridge-branch-railway-line-1978-online
Bodmin Road
Bodmin Road It's Aug61 this 55 has just brought in a train from Wadebridge, run round, taken water and is ready for the return journey. Copyright Mike Roach
Bodmin Road A main line down train stands at the platform. 4655 has arrived with the branch train and passengers get seated on the up platform to await the next up service 9th Sep 63 Copyright Mike Roach
4655 has now run round its train and steam is being raised ready for the climb to Bodmin General. Note the Water Crane with its long gantry spanning the tracks to provide watering for both branch and up main line trains. Note also the bags of parcels dumped on the platform, perhaps security didn't need to be as it is nowadays. 9th September 1963 Copyright Mike Roach
The train crew enjoy a little chat passing the time of day. It almost looks as if the passengers aren't being allowed to board as yet. 9th September 1963 Copyright Mike Roach
Bodmin Road Railcar W55014 at Bodmin Road in May 1964 Copyright John Ball
Ticket dated 09 SEP 63.
45110 departs Bodmin Parkway on Sunday 25th October 1998 Copyright Roger Geach
The other engine on this railtour was 48773seen here at Bodmin Parkway on Sunday 25th October 1998 Copyright Roger Geach
En route between Bodmin Road and Bodmin General
Charlies Gate
Mrs M and I took part on Monday 9th July 2018 in a re-enactment of the soldiers going off to the First World War with the production Trench. This was described as an Immersive Theatre production, involving Bodmin Regimental Museum and the Bodmin& Wenford Railway.
Well, it was a very moving experience. After a briefing, we were issued with our meal ration pack, uniform and an authentic soldier's identity. We then marched from Bodmin Barracks to Bodmin General station, holding up the traffic as we went, (and raising curious looks!). Pannier Tank 6435 and Auto Trailer W232W were waiting to convey the party to Charlie's Gate, where a special platform had been erected to allow us to march up the field for the action - in the WW1 Trench. Very atmospheric it was too. We had been asked not to take photographs during the event, as we were all, in effect, actors and the illusion would have been spoilt.
However, at the end of the action, when we learned whether our own Characters had survived, or died, it was time to return to the waiting train for the journey back to the present day. The sun was going down by then, but I couldn't resist going behind the nurses' tent (out of sight of the rest of the players), to grab my photo of the train with the first soldiers making it back to the platform.
It was really a first rate event - very well organised.
Best wishes,
Peter
Many thanks indeed Peter for your snatched and very moving photograph.
Well, it was a very moving experience. After a briefing, we were issued with our meal ration pack, uniform and an authentic soldier's identity. We then marched from Bodmin Barracks to Bodmin General station, holding up the traffic as we went, (and raising curious looks!). Pannier Tank 6435 and Auto Trailer W232W were waiting to convey the party to Charlie's Gate, where a special platform had been erected to allow us to march up the field for the action - in the WW1 Trench. Very atmospheric it was too. We had been asked not to take photographs during the event, as we were all, in effect, actors and the illusion would have been spoilt.
However, at the end of the action, when we learned whether our own Characters had survived, or died, it was time to return to the waiting train for the journey back to the present day. The sun was going down by then, but I couldn't resist going behind the nurses' tent (out of sight of the rest of the players), to grab my photo of the train with the first soldiers making it back to the platform.
It was really a first rate event - very well organised.
Best wishes,
Peter
Many thanks indeed Peter for your snatched and very moving photograph.
Copyright Peter Murnaghan 9th July 2018
Tornado at Charlies Gate June 2017 Copyright Andrew Jones
Please find above Arthur Peppercorn A1 60163 Tornado attacking the grade at ‘Charlies Gate’ during her visit to the Bodmin and Wenford in early June 2017. It only seems like yesterday, doesn’t time fly!
This type of locomotive is not really suited for the Bodmin Line and the driver would have been very careful to prevent a slip, especially at this location.
Photography is always spectacular at ‘Charlies Gate’ and even at the relatively low speed for an A1, it still was immensely exciting.
The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust which was formed in 1990 has changed the face of preservation with one of the first new build steam locomotives to have been built this century.
The trust is now well on with another new build a Si Nigel Gresley class P2 2-8-2 Mikados, to be named ‘Prince of Wales.’
This will be the most powerful passenger locomotive to be built in Britain.
Although only 6 were ever built, the last being scrapped in 1961, the new build will make improvements to the original design.
There are also a number of other locomotives being new built including a Hawksworth County, 1014 to be named ‘County of Glamorgan’ .
We are living through an exciting period and I hope to live long enough to see some of these new locomotives when they visit Cornwall or Devon.
Very best wishes to you both Andrew and Diane. Many thanks Andrew and Diane.
This type of locomotive is not really suited for the Bodmin Line and the driver would have been very careful to prevent a slip, especially at this location.
Photography is always spectacular at ‘Charlies Gate’ and even at the relatively low speed for an A1, it still was immensely exciting.
The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust which was formed in 1990 has changed the face of preservation with one of the first new build steam locomotives to have been built this century.
The trust is now well on with another new build a Si Nigel Gresley class P2 2-8-2 Mikados, to be named ‘Prince of Wales.’
This will be the most powerful passenger locomotive to be built in Britain.
Although only 6 were ever built, the last being scrapped in 1961, the new build will make improvements to the original design.
There are also a number of other locomotives being new built including a Hawksworth County, 1014 to be named ‘County of Glamorgan’ .
We are living through an exciting period and I hope to live long enough to see some of these new locomotives when they visit Cornwall or Devon.
Very best wishes to you both Andrew and Diane. Many thanks Andrew and Diane.
Thought to be taken near Bodmin Road. The last train of the day from Wadebridge, was always southern powered 3rd October 1957 Copyright the Jon Wood Collection
4565 with the 18.15 Bodmin Road to Wadebridge Just above Charlies gate August 1960 Copyright Mike Roach
4569 a little further up the bank where the line is crossed by the A38 road bridge Aug 1960 Copyright Mike Roach
It's June 1979 as a class 37 heads away from Bodmin General for Bodmin Road with a load of clay hoods, almost a daily scene then. However now the line thankfully remains open to traffic as the Bodmin and Wenford Railway, and long may it do so, Copyright Jim Lewis
Bodmin General
200721a The new platform at Bodmin Gereral during a visit on 21st July 2020. Copyright Roger Winnen
200721b Rolling stock also stabled in the adjacent siding which includes the auto coach at Bodmin General. Copyright Roger Winnen
200721c The new platform and the crossover at Bodmin General looking towards the Signal Box. Copyright Roger Winnen
4569 receiving platform attention at Bodmin General in 1960 Copyright Mike Roach
4655 has gone just about as far as possible. It will now have to push the stock back to come forward and access the run round points. 9th September 1963 Copyright Mike Roach
Another view of 4655 at the buffers. Note the fire buckets neatly painted and all hung up bar one. No doubt this has been used to wash windows or suchlike. Two platform trolleys await their next turn of duty. 9th September 1963 Copyright Mike Roach
Bodmin General 4655 has now pushed back to clear the run round loop points. The guard watches as the fireman uncouples the motive power. A lady with a white dress waits well away from the smoke and smuts. 9th September 1963 Copyright Mike Roach
Bodmin General W55014 May 1964 Copyright John Ball
Bodmin General in July 1964. A bubble car arrives from Padstow. The goods shed is still in use. Copyright Alan Harris
The freight to or from Wadebridge stands at Bodmin General on the 1st November 1974. From the smoke drifting from the guards van chimney it looks like it's been quite pleasant in there. a nice way of spending a day. Freight traffic to Wadebridge ended on 2nd September 1978 Copyright Roger Winnen
Bodmin General in 1969, a view from the throat. Note the engine shed, goods shed and signal box still in situ. Copyright Chris Osment
he late Gordon Dobbs, former President of the Cornwall Railway Society stands on the steps of Bodmin Signal Box in May 1972. Copyright Roger Winnen
1363 Giving rides at Bodmin during an Open Day in April 1970. Copyright Roger Winnen
Early days. 1363 on the approaches to Bodmin General Station during an Open Day in April 1970. Copyright Roger Winnen
1363 in the shed at Bodmin General together with Hawksworth Coach 7372 during an Open Day in May 1972. Copyright Roger Winnen
Demolition of Bodmin General Goods Shed - Jim Lewis
It is July 1978 as we stand on the footbridge at the east end of the Bodmin General complex. Not looking in the best of health but it is still all there. The loco shed, the signal box and the long siding serving the goods shed. There was once a further siding off to the right from this. Copyright Jim Lewis
Standing by the buffers we now look back towards the footbridge from which the previous picture was taken. Alas the goods shed has already lost its roof. Remember NCL, whatever happened to them?
Copyright Jim Lewis
Panning his camera slightly left we see'waiting in the wings' the excavator waiting to deal that final blow to the shed. July 1978 Copyright Jim Lewis
In this study by Jim Lewis there's not an inch of siding space left. Sadly the goods shed, loco shed and signalbox have all gone. June 1979. Copyright Jim Lewis
Looking the other way towards Bodmin Road a class 37 handles an exceptionally long train of clay hoods all of which must have come from or be destined for the Wenford branch. June 1979 Copyright Jim Lewis
Following temporary re-naming at Falmouth Docks on the 24th March 2001 D821 Greyhound bears the plates 'Cornwall' and stays a short while before moving up country. These views all on 25th March 2001 by Roger Winnen.
D821 produces some 'clagg' rounding Quarry Curve heading for Bodmin General. 25th March 2001 Copyright Roger Winnen
D821 Cornwall at Bodmin General. Copyright Roger Winnen
D821 Cornwall at Boscarne 25th March 2001 . Copyright Roger Winnen
D821 Cornwall together with the DMU departs Bodmin Parkway. 25th March 2001 Copyright Roger Winnen
D821 Cornwall together with 50042 Triumph arrives at Bodmin Parkway. Copyright Roger Winnen
D821 Cornwall with the Lanhydroc Local at Bodmin General. 25th March 2001 Copyright Roger Winnen
Finally, looking a picture D821 stands by the engine shed at Bodmin. 25th March 2001
4612 BR and B&W
Mike Roach
Mike Roach
4612 returns to the Bodmin and Wenford after a stay on the WSR. Seen here on the A30 on the 8th October 2019. Copyright Louise Roach.
The photograph above taken by daughter in law, Louise Roach, prompted Mike Roach to delve in his 'Treasure Trove' for pictures of 4612 in its last days on B.R. Many thanks to Louise.
Further to today's picture of 4612 (8th October 2019) on a low loader I have looked out my pictures of the only time I saw the loco in BR days. on 24 April 1965 the loco worked part of the route of a Railtour double heading with sister loco 9675 with 5 coaches. The railtour started and finished at Cardiff General. 4612 and 9675 worked from Neath Riverside to Colbren Junction on the line to Brecon. At Colbren they ran round and worked back to Swansea High Street via Pontardawe ans Swansea St Thomas. 6116 worked the first and last sections.
As an aside I left Plymouth at 6.35am and got back at 1.38am the next morning.
Regards, Mike. Many thanks for the article and historic pictures.
As an aside I left Plymouth at 6.35am and got back at 1.38am the next morning.
Regards, Mike. Many thanks for the article and historic pictures.
4612 9675 Neath Riverside 24th April 1965 Copyright Mike Roach
4612 and 9675 run round at Colbren Junction 24th April 1965 Mike Roach
4612 Takes water at Colbren Jct 24th April 1965 Copyright Mike Roach
4612 and 9675 ready to depart Colbren for Swansea - 24th April 1965 Copyright Mike Roach
4612 Runs around at Bodmin Parkway to form the 11.25 to Bodmin General. 13th October 2019 Copyright Roger Winnen
4612 attached to its train awaits its departure. 13th October 2019. Copyright Roger Winnen
Flashback to 1969. Here we see Bodmin General's original signalbox. What a shame this was demolished but what a fine job the Bodmin & Wenford have done with the replacement. Copyright Chris Osment
141018e The present day replacement signalbox at Bodmin general worked on this occasion by CRS Member Dave Letcher. 18th October 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
141018f The Track diagram of the modern Bodmin General Signal Box. Seen here on 18th October 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
Bodmin General Signalbox, an internal view of this smart box taken on the 3rd August 2011 Copyright Chris Osment
Bodmin General Signalbox - the locking frame Copyright Chris Osment Picture taken during a National Railway Heritage Awards visit.
Looking a picture is Bodmin General Signalbox taken on the 3rd August 2011 Copyright Chris Osment
Official B & W permission was granted for this location
Early B & W
20197 at Bodmin B & W 23rd October 1994 Copyright Steve Widdowson
33110 seen at Bodmin B & W 23rd October 1994 Copyright Steve Widdowson
Jim Cornelius visits the Bodmin and Wenford
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
Copyright John Cornelius
GWR 248 First class family saloon built in 1881 gleams at the platform of Bodmin General after its restoration on 11th Oct 2013 This clerestory is believed to have been used by King Edward V11 when Prince of Wales. Copyright Martin Scane
Bodmin General to Boscarne Jct.
A chance shot, an 08 on route between Bodmin General and Boscarne Junction June 1979. Copyright Jim Lewis
A real action shot by John Cornelius. Copyright
Boscarne Junction - the earlier days.
Ivatt 'Micky Mouse' 2-6-2T no. 41320 + set 196 is a Bodmin North to Wadebridge train at Boscarne Junction looking towards Bodmin. The brake van special is on the GWR running line and has probably been up the Wenford Branch. Mike further reports that many have trawked through the Six Bells Junction site but haven't found a West Country brake van trip with a 'Queen Mary' brake van which matches the period when 41320 was allocated to that part of the country. Apparentley there were two 'Queen Mary's' based at Wadebridge for many years. It has also been suggested that this 'jolly' could be a BR staff outing rather than a railfan charter. CAN YOU HELP? From the Mike Morant collection
Here we see Ivatt 'Mickey Mouse' 2MT 2-6-2T no. 41275 heading for Bodmin North on the SR running line. The box in the background is Boscarne Junction whilst the loops to each side are goods sidings, primarily to exchange traffic between S.R. and G.W.R. The line to the extreme left is the G.W.R. running line from Bodmin General. Picture by courtesy of the Mike Morant Collection.
Boscarne Exchange Platform
Boscarne Exchange Platform seen here in 1964. This view captured by Sid Sponheimer. Copyright. Quite why the seven people standing on the platform are turning their back on such a rare vehicle is not known, but at least Sid got an excellent shot of it.
The station, referred to in the timetable as Boscarne Exchange Platform, closed on 18 April 1966 when two trains daily from Bodmin General reversed at the junction, travelling to Dunmere Halt and Bodmin North before returning and continuing on to Wadebridge. This continued until the passenger service between Bodmin Road and Padstow was withdrawn on the 3rd January 1967.
AC Cars Railbus Introduced: 1958. Body: 36ft. Engine: AEC 150hp 79977/8 were based at St. Blazey with employment on a shuttle service to Bodmin North from June 14th '64, connecting with trains from Wadebridge to Bodmin Road at newly opened exchange platforms at Boscarne Junction, and also certain trips to Wadebridge.
On the 6th May 1978 the Lea Valley Railway Club organised a train to do two return trips from Plymouth to Wadebridge. The train comprising of two x three car sets. The Cornwall Railway Society acted as ticket agents for Cornwall producing quite a number of passengers for the first train from Wadebridge to Plymouth and the second train from Plymouth to Wadebridge. On the first run from Wadebridge to Plymouth the rear of the 3 car units became defective and had to be left behind at Boscarne in the sidings. We all travelled to Plymouth in a very overcrowded train. For the second train a spare three car set was conjured up and we returned to Wadebridge in comfort. The Lea Valley kindly permitted our headboard on the train to Plymouth and back - its first outing. Picture Copyright of Sid Sponheimer. To see more of this railtour go to Diesel railtours and look for 6th May 1978 - the 'Camel Train'.
5552 having run round backs onto its train for the return journey to Bodmin General. 3rd August 2011. Copyright Chris Osment. Official permission granted by the B & W for a picture from this location. (Further notes from Chris Osment - Very roughly - the running line is on the alignment of the old No 1 Siding, whilst the run-round loop was once the GWR line. The Platform is where the SR line was, whilst the foot/cycle path is on the site of the old No 2 Siding.
At Boscarne Junction, a view looking at the commencement of the climb up to Bodmin General on the 3rd August 2011. Boscarne Exchange Platform lay just beyond the 15 MPH sign and the route to Bodmin North and Wenford lay to the left. A low level platform was sited where the young man stands outside the fence. Copyright Chris Osment Permission granted for this position by the B & W Further notes by Chris Osment The rusty post in front of the trees is the remains of the one of the ‘STOP’ lamps which were erected on the approached to B Jcn by the WR after all the signals were removed
Boscarne Junction - the very smart waiting shelter with the shutters down. 3rd August 2011 Copyright Chris Osment
A view from the platform at Boscarne junction taken by Chris Osment on the 3rd August 2011. The future route of the B & W towards Wadebridge lies ahead over the level crossing. Copyright
Copyright John Cornelius
Demolition at Boscarne Junction - the last B.R. train.
I am a Cornish exile now living in Hampshire and spent the first 24 years of my life in Bodmin. I have good memories of the Wenford line in its last days and used to run down Beacon hill to see a 25 and later 37 shunting at Bodmin general on my way to school.
I was on hand to see the very last BR movement on the line in May 1985 and was surprised to see a train leaving General for Boscarne. I managed to get down there and witnessed a class 37 and wagon for the recovery of several lengths rail from the former line to Bodmin North line. We talked to the gangers and they said It was to be reused on the Looe line. Cheeky as I believe the line had been sold to the B&W by then. I also saw it arrive at Bodmin Rd and saw the box signal the train and then switched out for the very last time. I believe the signalman was Peter Hamley.
Rob Iredale
I was on hand to see the very last BR movement on the line in May 1985 and was surprised to see a train leaving General for Boscarne. I managed to get down there and witnessed a class 37 and wagon for the recovery of several lengths rail from the former line to Bodmin North line. We talked to the gangers and they said It was to be reused on the Looe line. Cheeky as I believe the line had been sold to the B&W by then. I also saw it arrive at Bodmin Rd and saw the box signal the train and then switched out for the very last time. I believe the signalman was Peter Hamley.
Rob Iredale
BODMIN GENERAL - PADSTOW
Boscarne Exchange Platform
Boscarne Junction
Enjoy this period picture of 30587 at Boscarne Junction. Copyright Sid Sponheimer
A nice study of Boscarne Junction Signalbox in 1965 by John Ball. Copyright. One hopes that it will not be too long before Bodmin and Wenford Railway trains cross this road once more.
Boscarne Junction. Hoods wait on the siding now removed to permit the building of a platform. Andrew draws our attention to the rudimentary braking system so visible in this picture. Copyright Andrew Jones - March 1980
Nanstallon Halt
The occasion is the last steam hauled railtour to Wenford Bridge. 19th September 1965. We are on the approach to Nanstallon from Wadebridge. The gate led to the wharf closed 2nd May 1960 and lifted the following year. Note ahead of 1369 the level crossing keepers cottage, the cabin and beyond that Nanstallon Halt with its GW pagoda shelter.
Perhaps the name was a little too long for the glass but nevertheless they did their best. 1965 Copyright John Ball.
Nanstallon - the crossing keepers hut. Copyright Julian Stephens
Unfortunately low resolution but a fascinating study of Nanstallon. Undated. From the Alan Harris Collection
140517j The remains of Nanstallon Halt opened in 1906. A view taken on a CRS walk on the 17th May 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
Taking a fresh look at Nanstallon Level Crossing. It is a great delight to bring you some moments in time caught by Andrew Jones, and what a delight they are. Andrew writes:- Dear Keith, Please find the next set of photos, Nanstallon level crossing April 1970.
Generally this was a difficult picture to obtain, as the goods service to Wadebridge, passed Nanstallon at approx 06.30. Luckily the lamps are still the originals. Shortly after this picture was taken, they were removed and later replaced, with a pair of standard bull nose lamps.
A perfect example, of a low tech solution, which typified the country railway era, up until the 1980’s.
The vandalised crossing keepers house, still exists, being sold for around £3,000 in the mid - 1970’s.
I would very much appreciate, if anyone can put a name, to the gentleman in the photograph.
Best wishes Andrew Jones Very many thanks Andrew.
If you go to Google Earth Street View you'll also see a charming view of the crossing as seen recently - the cottage has been extended.
Generally this was a difficult picture to obtain, as the goods service to Wadebridge, passed Nanstallon at approx 06.30. Luckily the lamps are still the originals. Shortly after this picture was taken, they were removed and later replaced, with a pair of standard bull nose lamps.
A perfect example, of a low tech solution, which typified the country railway era, up until the 1980’s.
The vandalised crossing keepers house, still exists, being sold for around £3,000 in the mid - 1970’s.
I would very much appreciate, if anyone can put a name, to the gentleman in the photograph.
Best wishes Andrew Jones Very many thanks Andrew.
If you go to Google Earth Street View you'll also see a charming view of the crossing as seen recently - the cottage has been extended.
Nanstallon level crossing in April 1970. The classic 'Bulls Eye' lamp receives attention as the 08 waits patiently to proceed towards Wadebride. Any idea who this gentleman is?? Copyright Andrew Jones
The lamp is attended to by the gentleman who's name we'd like to know if possible. The windows of the delightful cottage have been smashed by some idiot making use of the ballast lying about. April 1970. Copyright Andrew Jones
Moving a hundred yards or so down the line towards Wadebridge and 'turning about' we see the crossing cottage in the distance. The area to the right of the running line was occupied by a siding known as 'Nanstallon Wharf', this was closed w,e.f 2nd May 1960 and removed in 1961. Picture April 1970. Copyright Andrew Jones N.B. A picture at the top of this series on Nanstallon taken in 1965 shows the gate which once protected this siding, also the signal box and signals.
Nanstallon crossing in April 1971. Either the glass has been completely removed or replaced on cannot tell, one hopes the latter. Andrew's faithful VW waits up the road. Copyright Andrew Jones.
It will be worth your time and trouble to take a look, courtesy of Google Earth Street View at this charming location today.
Nanstallon Crossing distant signal an article by Andrew Jones.
Whilst researching this short article a number of surprising facts came to light.
Please find a ‘then and now, July 1972 and March 2nd 2021’ view of the Nanstallon level crossing protection signal situated approx 4,000 feet from Nanstallon signal box looking towards Wadebridge. In common with a number of signals on this shared LSWR and GWR section it was of lattice work design and construction which gave the appearance of considerable height.
Remarkably this signal survived for many years after passenger closure, but was disconnected when Nanstallon signal box was decommissioned.
A signal wire repeater can be seen in photograph 2, which due to the considerable distance, used a balance weight pivoted to lessen the load on the signal box lever. These were not unusual but it would still have been an effort for the signalman, due in part, to the reverse curves on the approach to the long straight and signal position opposite Denby, (now the site of the Camel Valley Vineyard).
The 1972 photograph illustrates just how well managed the lineside undergrowth was controlled 50 years ago. Within a year or so this view changed considerably, when the National Grid expanded the 400kv supergrid network and installed pylons across the Camel Valley causing much outrage at the time. The cost of burying the cables was looked into but proved to be extremely expensive due the the Camel River and the idea was dropped.
During construction a BR lookout was employed to protect the railway even though only one train a day used the section at 06.00 am.
Incidentally on completion of the supergrid, Hayle Power Station which had already been rationalised was decommissioned in 1973, and there is a very interesting article and some archive railway photographs at www.octelamlwch.co.uk/hayle
or look up the Hayle section. who used the spent hot water from the power station and were the eventual cause of its demise.
Hayle power station was subsequently completely levelled due to a construction agreement that stated that the surrounding area should be reinstated to its natural state on closure.
Very best wishes Andrew and Diane
Please find a ‘then and now, July 1972 and March 2nd 2021’ view of the Nanstallon level crossing protection signal situated approx 4,000 feet from Nanstallon signal box looking towards Wadebridge. In common with a number of signals on this shared LSWR and GWR section it was of lattice work design and construction which gave the appearance of considerable height.
Remarkably this signal survived for many years after passenger closure, but was disconnected when Nanstallon signal box was decommissioned.
A signal wire repeater can be seen in photograph 2, which due to the considerable distance, used a balance weight pivoted to lessen the load on the signal box lever. These were not unusual but it would still have been an effort for the signalman, due in part, to the reverse curves on the approach to the long straight and signal position opposite Denby, (now the site of the Camel Valley Vineyard).
The 1972 photograph illustrates just how well managed the lineside undergrowth was controlled 50 years ago. Within a year or so this view changed considerably, when the National Grid expanded the 400kv supergrid network and installed pylons across the Camel Valley causing much outrage at the time. The cost of burying the cables was looked into but proved to be extremely expensive due the the Camel River and the idea was dropped.
During construction a BR lookout was employed to protect the railway even though only one train a day used the section at 06.00 am.
Incidentally on completion of the supergrid, Hayle Power Station which had already been rationalised was decommissioned in 1973, and there is a very interesting article and some archive railway photographs at www.octelamlwch.co.uk/hayle
or look up the Hayle section. who used the spent hot water from the power station and were the eventual cause of its demise.
Hayle power station was subsequently completely levelled due to a construction agreement that stated that the surrounding area should be reinstated to its natural state on closure.
Very best wishes Andrew and Diane
Photograph 1 lattice work signal post approx 4000 feet from Nanstallon signal box towards Wadebridge. 1972 Copyright Andrew Jones.
Another 1972 photograph - taken from further back. Copyright Andrew Jones.
This was the site of the lattice work signal. As seen on the 2nd March 2021. Copyright Andrew Jones
A further and much appreciated note received within minutes of our posting on the website from Chris Osment - Rail West.
Keith
With regard to the item about the Nanstallon “crossing signal”, based on the location then that would have been the Down Distant (lever No 10) for Nanstallon. It is interesting to see, from the remnant of the spectacle plate, that this was yet another ex-L&SWR signal that was still a lower-quadrant at the time of its abolition, which had been sited on the right-hand side of the line presumably to improve its sighting by approaching trains.
I can not find any official record for the distance of that signal from the crossing box, but based on Andrew’s assessment then at over 1300 yards it was certainly a long ‘pull’. When the crossing keeper put back lever 10 after a train had passed then there would have been a considerable length of slack signal wire which had to be ‘pulled in’. The purpose of the additional weight lever seen on the short post in the second photograph would have been to help to pull in that slack, to ensure that the signal arm and its own weight lever could return fully to the ‘on’ position’.
It is possible also that elsewhere along the wire run there had been a ‘gain stroke’ lever to enable the relatively short stroke of lever 10, when pulled over to clear the signal, to be able to take up all the slack that would exist in such a long length of wire.
Regards, Chris (One learns everyday - thank you Chris)
Keith
With regard to the item about the Nanstallon “crossing signal”, based on the location then that would have been the Down Distant (lever No 10) for Nanstallon. It is interesting to see, from the remnant of the spectacle plate, that this was yet another ex-L&SWR signal that was still a lower-quadrant at the time of its abolition, which had been sited on the right-hand side of the line presumably to improve its sighting by approaching trains.
I can not find any official record for the distance of that signal from the crossing box, but based on Andrew’s assessment then at over 1300 yards it was certainly a long ‘pull’. When the crossing keeper put back lever 10 after a train had passed then there would have been a considerable length of slack signal wire which had to be ‘pulled in’. The purpose of the additional weight lever seen on the short post in the second photograph would have been to help to pull in that slack, to ensure that the signal arm and its own weight lever could return fully to the ‘on’ position’.
It is possible also that elsewhere along the wire run there had been a ‘gain stroke’ lever to enable the relatively short stroke of lever 10, when pulled over to clear the signal, to be able to take up all the slack that would exist in such a long length of wire.
Regards, Chris (One learns everyday - thank you Chris)
Grogley Halt
A well earned lunch break at Grogley Halt a former junction for the line to Ruthern Bridge. This picture taken on a CRS walk over the branch line on 17th May 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
A Christmas Card Scene at Grogley Halt. 1st February 2019. Copyright Andrew Jones.
Following on from the past and present topics, here is Polbrock , taken approx 40 years apart. There is a Sunbeam Rapier parked outside John Jago’s house, where the crews of passing trains often delivered his daily cigarettes.
Trains were few and far between by the time the 1977 shot was taken, usually early in the morning, with an occasional evening goods. Nowadays taking this shot in 2017 is vastly more dangerous with speeding cyclists probably travelling at twice the speed of a goods train and taking a lot less care than railway staff would ever have been allowed!
For me the Camel Trail is a mixed blessing, but at least we can all still travel the route of this once famous line.
Keep up the good work!
Best wishes Andrew Jones Many thanks Andrew
Trains were few and far between by the time the 1977 shot was taken, usually early in the morning, with an occasional evening goods. Nowadays taking this shot in 2017 is vastly more dangerous with speeding cyclists probably travelling at twice the speed of a goods train and taking a lot less care than railway staff would ever have been allowed!
For me the Camel Trail is a mixed blessing, but at least we can all still travel the route of this once famous line.
Keep up the good work!
Best wishes Andrew Jones Many thanks Andrew
Polbrock Bridge February 1977. Copyright Andrew Jones
The same spot at Polbrock in 2017. Copyright Andrew Jones.
In answer to your queries, the above photograph was taken at a point 840 feet from Polbrock Bridge on the Grogley side. The gateway in the photograph was an occupation crossing to a small field adjacent the river camel owned by Pencarrow estate.
The crossing was also the starting point of a check rail on the left hand side facing Wadebridge continuing for 480 feet towards Wadebridge, which is where John Jago’s cottage stands. At this point in the reverse curve the check rail continued on the right hand side until reaching mile post 2 1/2miles directly under Polbrock Bridge. The check rails seem to have been added in 1932 according to the rail chair dates with the parallel line being supported with rail chairs dating from 1951, in track sections of 19 sleepers.
The crossing was also the starting point of a check rail on the left hand side facing Wadebridge continuing for 480 feet towards Wadebridge, which is where John Jago’s cottage stands. At this point in the reverse curve the check rail continued on the right hand side until reaching mile post 2 1/2miles directly under Polbrock Bridge. The check rails seem to have been added in 1932 according to the rail chair dates with the parallel line being supported with rail chairs dating from 1951, in track sections of 19 sleepers.
More on Polbrock Bridge and curves and check rails - an article by Andrew and Diane Jones.
Polbrock Bridge and check rails Polbock Bridge 1971 Copyright Andrew and Diane Jones
The Humble Permanent Way……….
I was recently reminded when submitting the Polbrock Bridge photograph, how two rails sitting on sleepers are seriously underrated in engineering terms.
I have attached a photograph at the same location taken in 1971 to illustrate just one of the many factors required to safely support the weight and mass of a typical locomotive weighing possibly a 100 tons with a trailing weight of say 200 tons.
Check rails are not particularly common on the mainline except for pointwork and level crossings, but many branch lines with tight curves often relied on some form of protection to stop wheels from climbing the rail and de railing.
(Check rails installed on level crossings were predominantly to reduce debris fouling the track and keep some form of clearance.)
When studying the profile of a standard wheel set it would be noted that the flange should not make contact with the rail except when traversing a curve. When encountering a sharp curve as often found on branch lines there is a tendency proportional to speed for the wheel to try and climb the rail and to counteract this a second check rail was often installed which acted upon the back of the flange to contain the wheel set from lifting.
The branch to Wenfordbridge from Boscarne had extremely tight curves but due to the low speed limit relied on flange greasers to reduce wear, however the squeal through the Outlands section could be heard for miles!
The science behind the permanent way is extremely complex and I was reminded when taking my HNC at Devonport Tech of the involved equations used to calculate all the forces involved and thats after providing the formation and drainage which is a science in its self.
If there is enough interest I would gladly continue this subject in the future. Andrew Jones
I was recently reminded when submitting the Polbrock Bridge photograph, how two rails sitting on sleepers are seriously underrated in engineering terms.
I have attached a photograph at the same location taken in 1971 to illustrate just one of the many factors required to safely support the weight and mass of a typical locomotive weighing possibly a 100 tons with a trailing weight of say 200 tons.
Check rails are not particularly common on the mainline except for pointwork and level crossings, but many branch lines with tight curves often relied on some form of protection to stop wheels from climbing the rail and de railing.
(Check rails installed on level crossings were predominantly to reduce debris fouling the track and keep some form of clearance.)
When studying the profile of a standard wheel set it would be noted that the flange should not make contact with the rail except when traversing a curve. When encountering a sharp curve as often found on branch lines there is a tendency proportional to speed for the wheel to try and climb the rail and to counteract this a second check rail was often installed which acted upon the back of the flange to contain the wheel set from lifting.
The branch to Wenfordbridge from Boscarne had extremely tight curves but due to the low speed limit relied on flange greasers to reduce wear, however the squeal through the Outlands section could be heard for miles!
The science behind the permanent way is extremely complex and I was reminded when taking my HNC at Devonport Tech of the involved equations used to calculate all the forces involved and thats after providing the formation and drainage which is a science in its self.
If there is enough interest I would gladly continue this subject in the future. Andrew Jones
Many thanks indeed to Andrew and Diane for the above article - yes, let's have more please.
Rifle Range Platform or Shooting Range Platform
The platform was built around 1880 to serve a firing range with trains only stopping with written permission from the army. Periods of use centred around the Boer and World War One. Troops were always sent by rail as there was no other means of access. Use of the range ceased after this although the platform, with its cinder surface, was maintained into the 1950s. Named Shooting Range Platform and used until after 1947 (Wikipedia)
The platform was built around 1880 to serve a firing range with trains only stopping with written permission from the army. Periods of use centred around the Boer and World War One. Troops were always sent by rail as there was no other means of access. Use of the range ceased after this although the platform, with its cinder surface, was maintained into the 1950s. Named Shooting Range Platform and used until after 1947 (Wikipedia)
140517d Shooting Range Platform where trains stopped on request by the Military. This picture taken during a CRS walk over the branch on 17th May 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
Shooting Range Platform further details kindly supplied by Andrew and Diane Jones
Shooting Range Platform, sometimes referred as Rifle Range Platform, was built in approx mid 1880’s to serve the military rifle range. Access was by rail only and trains stopped by written permission from the army.
The station platform was simple and formed by railway sleepers bolted longitudinally on edge and infilled with rubble topped with a cinder surface.
The targets for the range were situated across the River Camel and required serviceman to use a punt to gain access and operate the machinery.
Officially closed during the 1950,s according to my neighbour who served with the Duke of Cornwalls Light Infantry.
I took the attached photograph 10 years after closure to passengers. At this time the old galvanised refreshment hut was still standing complete with pot belly stove, unfortunately long gone. Freight was still daily and the railway was well kept.
The super elevation of the track can be seen, which was a feature of the railway with a relative high speed achievable for a secondary route as was the case on the North Cornwall Line.
Shooting Range Platform is on the left in the photograph looking towards Pendavy Bridge. Just out of view in the distance is the junction with the North Cornwall Line. There is a proposal to reinstate the trackbed as an addition to the Camel Trail from the junction to Sladesbridge forming a new link along the former LSWR route to a proposed housing development.
If the proposed reinstatement of the railway from Boscarne to Wadebridge goes ahead I suppose the Shooting Range Platform may re open to the public. I hope I live long enough to see it !
Best wishes Andrew and Diane
Shooting Range Platform in the 1950's Copyright Andrew Jones
The location of Shooting Range Platform - Andrew Jones
140517c Not far beyond Shooting Range Platform the line crossed the Camel by means of Pendavey Bridge. Here a CRS party on a walk rest on the bridge. 17th May 2014 Copyright Roger Winnen
For more pictures of the line from Bodmin Parkway (Road) to Wadebridge see the Diesel Railtours section September and December 1978
Luggage label courtesy Mike Morant Collection
Guineaport Signal remains.
On Friday 12th February 21 I was lucky enough to be called up for my astra zeneca vaccination. What a wonderful service the NHS provides and the very brave staff who have continued to administer front line care, against very difficult circumstances and much personal risk.
I had a minor reaction but nothing serious, so decided today to try and resume my exercise routine and being local to our house, walked to Wadebridge along the Camel Trail which conforms to the latest Covid 19 advice.
I normally cycle but felt slightly unsteady, so decided walking was safest. The trail is very popular at the moment but is easy to maintain social distancing.
On reaching the farm occupation overbridge at Guineaport I decided that it was time to turn around when something caught my eye in the undergrowth. On closer inspection and to my delight I had stumbled on the base to Latice work signals 38/36 situated just before the overbridge facing in the Bodmin direction and just east of the site of Wadebridge East Signal Box. I must have passed this point many times on my bicycle but had never stopped.
Unfortunately finds like this are extremely rare these days given that the efficient scrap men removed the signal in approx 1968/69 and it appears to be the only remaining evidence of a once extensive signalling system at Wadebridge.
I have attached two photographs taken today one close up and another to illustrate how well camouflaged it was.
It just goes to prove that keeping your eyes open can produce some wonderful surprises!
Best wishes Andrew and Diane
I had a minor reaction but nothing serious, so decided today to try and resume my exercise routine and being local to our house, walked to Wadebridge along the Camel Trail which conforms to the latest Covid 19 advice.
I normally cycle but felt slightly unsteady, so decided walking was safest. The trail is very popular at the moment but is easy to maintain social distancing.
On reaching the farm occupation overbridge at Guineaport I decided that it was time to turn around when something caught my eye in the undergrowth. On closer inspection and to my delight I had stumbled on the base to Latice work signals 38/36 situated just before the overbridge facing in the Bodmin direction and just east of the site of Wadebridge East Signal Box. I must have passed this point many times on my bicycle but had never stopped.
Unfortunately finds like this are extremely rare these days given that the efficient scrap men removed the signal in approx 1968/69 and it appears to be the only remaining evidence of a once extensive signalling system at Wadebridge.
I have attached two photographs taken today one close up and another to illustrate how well camouflaged it was.
It just goes to prove that keeping your eyes open can produce some wonderful surprises!
Best wishes Andrew and Diane
Can you spot the signal base? 12rh February 2021. Copyright Andrew Jones.
Here's a close up. 12th February 2021.
Copyright Andrew Jones.
Wadebridge in 1941
Wartime special - an armoured train at Wadebridge. From facebook with permission to copy Alan Harris
Wadebridge in July 1952 (72F)
The late Theo Beckett, a keen member of the Cornwall Railway Society, was an employee of Cornwall County Council based in Wadebridge for a time. Luckily for us during July 1952 he had the forethought to take his box camera to the station to record some of the activities associated with the loco shed coded 72F which fortunately lay alongside the platform. The pictures below give you some idea of what can be achieved and recorded with a simple camera. Many thanks to his son, and CRS member David Beckett, for making these pictures available to us. David has written an article on the shed which will hopefully appear in the magazine in due course.
LSWR 314 seen here at Wadebridge this later became 30585. Currently based at Quainton Road. Courtesy the Mike Morant Collection
Southern 329 which later became BR 30586. Unfortunately this one didn't survive into preservation. From the Mike Morant Collection
LSWR Beattie 2-4-0W was built by Byer Peacock in 1874 and is pictured here at Wadebridge shed as Southern Railway No. 3298. Subsequently 3298 would be renumbered by BR as 30587 and would remain in service until the end of 1962 going out in a blaze of glory partnered with 30585 on two railtours in the south London area in the December of that year. Both locos survive. Caption from Mike Morant, picture courtesy his Collection
A smahing shot of a Beattie well tank at rest. Taken on a 'shed bash' by John Cornelius. Copyright
5570 stands at Wadebridge ready with a service to Bodmin Road. Copyright Roger Tabb
31834 N class awaits duty at Wadebridge 3rd October 1957 Copyright Late Jon Wood Collection
N's at Wadebridge 31834 and 31840 3rd October 1957 Copright to late Jon Wood Collection
Wadebridge 30587 Beattie well tank 3rd October 1957 Copyright the late Jon Wood Collection
A set of images taken at Wadebridge in the early 60's recently received from the collection of Sid Sponheimer.
Roger Winnen has kindly supplied the captions on this rare collection of images.
Roger Winnen has kindly supplied the captions on this rare collection of images.
Twp class N2's ar Wadebridge. Introduced by Maunsell of the S.E.&C.R. in 1917. 50 of the these engines were built to government orders at Woolwhich Arsenal in the mid 1920's and nicknamed 'Woolworths'. Copyright Sid Sponheimer.
Wadebridge 30585 over 60 years ago -and she was ancient then! Today this engine is at Quainton Road, Bucks. She is coupled to an 02 Copyright Roy Hart
Wadebridge in Model Form
This N gauge model on display at an exhibition held at Wadebridge on the 17th June 2017 depicts the station layout in excellent form.
Wadebridge in the late 60's
Wadebridge signalbox seen from outside the fence and looking across the river in October 1968 Copyright Doug Nicholls. One wonders why the left hand window at the base of the box was bricked up?
Wadebridge station yard in June 1965 with shunter 2183. A very interesting and unusual view from track level looking towards Bodmin. Note the water tank, the engine shed, and the coaling area. Copyright Doug Nicholls
A sad view taken in September 1968. The line straight ahead to Padstow has already been chopped off, the metals to the right serving the quays where there were six sidings. Three of these were removed in 1971 the remainder being taken out of use w.e.f. 2nd April 1973. Note the unusual compact arrangement of the level crossing gates which closed one upon another. This picture copyright of Doug Nicholls.
Wadebridge West to Padstow Staff . This posed a question as to what purpose the key on this staff was used for. Roy Hart provides the answer below. Copyright Dave Hayball
In 1964 all the ex-Southern lines west of Salisbury (Wilton, to be exact) came to the Western Region. Almost all were regarded as uneconomic and so heavy economies were introduced. To look at it pessimistically, it was just a prelude to closure. The great network of signal boxes with crossing loops on the North Cornwall and elsewhere were pruned: Otterham was the first to go and was followed by Dunsland Cross, Tower Hill and the rest. Padstow box closed and the points leading to the run-around loop put on to a new ground frame. The points at the buffers end had always been hand operated. The wooden staff applied to all operations between Wadebridge and Padstow.
The points at Wadebridge West were operated by the box there (at the level crossing).
Wadebridge boxes, along with Boscarne and Bodmin General, went in December 1967, but the Padstow section had been lifted by then. The staff in the picture was used only for the short period from 1965-7 and unlocked the GF at Padstow loop. I was on the last train from Padstow - GW Hawksworth coaches hauled by a class 22 (D63XX) which, of course, ran round its train at Padstow. Many thanks to Roy Hart for the above very full answer. N.B The station at Padstow closed to goods w.e.f. 7th September 1964 and to passengers w.e.f. 30th January 1967. The last train out of Padstow would have run on the 29th January 1967,
The points at Wadebridge West were operated by the box there (at the level crossing).
Wadebridge boxes, along with Boscarne and Bodmin General, went in December 1967, but the Padstow section had been lifted by then. The staff in the picture was used only for the short period from 1965-7 and unlocked the GF at Padstow loop. I was on the last train from Padstow - GW Hawksworth coaches hauled by a class 22 (D63XX) which, of course, ran round its train at Padstow. Many thanks to Roy Hart for the above very full answer. N.B The station at Padstow closed to goods w.e.f. 7th September 1964 and to passengers w.e.f. 30th January 1967. The last train out of Padstow would have run on the 29th January 1967,
A train heads into Wadebridge from Padstow. Copyright Mike Roach
Wadebridge 4655 with a service to Bodmin Road 9th Sep 63 MLR - Copyright Mike Roach
Lea Valley Railway Club & Cornwall Railway Society Wadebridge Railtour at Wadebridge, 6 May 1978. Copyright Trevor Tremethick
Wadebridge D2183 arriving back from Wenford Bridge in August 1965 Copyright John Ball
This was taken early in August 1965. It wasn't a timetabled train, and I believe the stock was generally used on school trains at the time. As it was in the school holiday (and I can't remember who got out of it), I was and remain puzzled. It came in from the Padstow direction but I can't remember what happened to it after arriving at Wadebridge. I do remember it being fairly late afternoon
If anyone else can cast any light on it, I'd be glad to hear.
Regards John. Copyright
A reply quickly came from Karl Hewlett for which many thanks. - Can partially help my colleague at Penmere John Balls request with his photo taken at Wadebridge in August 1965. The loco is one of the North British class 22 hydraulics (known as baby warships or baby sad eyes amongst other names both are pretty explanatory), a blow up of the image has identified it as D6306.
One of the most common ways to try and identify the working is by looking at the headcode, which in John's image is 9B88. This is where it gets interesting, the Western Region (WR), four digit character headcode introduced in summer 1960 and updated again on the 18th June 1962, works from left to right so to start off 9: class of train 1 being an express, 2 being ordinary passenger, 6's onwards generally freight e.t.c. B: in which area this train/loco is going to/from. 88: is the actual reporting number of the service. According to the headcode the train is a class 9 working, a mineral and empty wagon freight train including untimetabled local trip workings and pilot engine workings, B which is Bristol district (later for West of England but not until the 70's). The service 88 is trying its hardest to allude me, however from my searches there would seem to be a lot of WTT class 9 freight, mineral and trip workings with headcodes very close to 9B88 trundling around the Bristol and Wiltshire area in the 60's, which tallies in with D6306's headcode.
So unless someone else knows more, that's as far as I managed to gleam. I wouldn't go too much on the reporting number as I believe this to be wrong, not a totally uncommon to see incorrect headcode. It could be anything from the headcode blind/s slipping a common occurrence (although it does look neat and tidy in John's image), to a lazy driver simply not altering it from a previous working! It is certainly not right for a passenger service. One thing I did notice, the third coach, one of the doors is open so presumably taking on passengers, could it be an additional untimetabled working to/from Bodmin being summer, or an excursion? The plot thickens!
Regards
Karl (Friends of Penmere).
One of the most common ways to try and identify the working is by looking at the headcode, which in John's image is 9B88. This is where it gets interesting, the Western Region (WR), four digit character headcode introduced in summer 1960 and updated again on the 18th June 1962, works from left to right so to start off 9: class of train 1 being an express, 2 being ordinary passenger, 6's onwards generally freight e.t.c. B: in which area this train/loco is going to/from. 88: is the actual reporting number of the service. According to the headcode the train is a class 9 working, a mineral and empty wagon freight train including untimetabled local trip workings and pilot engine workings, B which is Bristol district (later for West of England but not until the 70's). The service 88 is trying its hardest to allude me, however from my searches there would seem to be a lot of WTT class 9 freight, mineral and trip workings with headcodes very close to 9B88 trundling around the Bristol and Wiltshire area in the 60's, which tallies in with D6306's headcode.
So unless someone else knows more, that's as far as I managed to gleam. I wouldn't go too much on the reporting number as I believe this to be wrong, not a totally uncommon to see incorrect headcode. It could be anything from the headcode blind/s slipping a common occurrence (although it does look neat and tidy in John's image), to a lazy driver simply not altering it from a previous working! It is certainly not right for a passenger service. One thing I did notice, the third coach, one of the doors is open so presumably taking on passengers, could it be an additional untimetabled working to/from Bodmin being summer, or an excursion? The plot thickens!
Regards
Karl (Friends of Penmere).
Wadebridge from footbridge September 1968 Passenger services to Padstow ceased 30th january 1967 but the lines to Wadebridge Quay (under the footbridge and over the level crossing) remained until 2nd April 1973 Copyright Douglas Nicholls
The early bird catches the worm' The centre of the spread below by Roger Geach taken at 05.30, no wonder the train crew are peering around the front!!! Roger wites - My now dead friend and i got up very early to do this train , a one off special effort , it left Bz about 0405 or the like . At Wadebridge it arrived at about 0530 and by 0555 had gone. I don't think it ran much after autumn 1977 even if the line did not shut until 78. It shunted quite a large number of vanfits for farm produce that morning as well as slate dust. I bet few people at Wadebridge ever saw the train unless they were out of bed very early. Of course one could only photo this train for about 8 weeks of the year in daylight.
Wadebridge shed as seen by Roger Winnen on 30th September 1978. Copyright
Following the closure of the North Cornwall line slate powder was brought from Delebole by lorry for onward transit by rail. This picture in April 1977 by Mike Roach
Wadebridge Slate 'Presflo' wagon B888196 Built 1957 April 1977 Mike Roach Copyright.
At this date this was one of approximately 15 Presflo wagons allocated to Wadebridge for the transport of slate dust from Wadebridge to South Eastern Tar Distillers at Tonbridge, these were loaded at the goods shed following the closure of the North Cornwall line, the dust having been brought from Delebole by lorry.
Wadebridge 24th July 1978 Still officially in use Copyright Mike Roach
Wadebridge 24th July 78 It was still officially in use though these lines haven't been polished for many a day. Copyright Mike Roach
Note - end of the line. The last railwayman to be employed at Wadebridge (until closure to freight) was Bill Richards who was Shunter/Checker and he also worked at Newquay station on Summer Saturdays including trying to keep the traffic flowing on the busy station approach road!
Wadebridge 1 - the canopy gets a repaint. 7th August 2018 Copyright Daivd Anthony.
Wadebridge 2 - the canopy gets a repaint. 7th August 2018 Copyright Daivd Anthony.
A personal ticket issued to Mr. Stacey. The Alan Harris collection.
Those were the days - you takes your choice. The Alan Harris collection
Courtesy the Alan Harris collection
Just to the north of Wadebridge level crossing
This picture was sent in by Michael Manning as a query as to where it was in quest to locate 'track lifting' pictures in his collection.
Andrew Jones sent in this copy of an old map which clearly indicates where, with reference to Wadebridge station, this bridge was located.
This sceenshot of a detailed map shows not only the location of the bridge but also we have the bonus of a track plan showing the arrangement at Town Wharf, Wadebridge.
Michael Manning queried the use of a double track span footbridge over a single track, probably provided in case there was ever a requirement to double to line to Padstow - sadly this never came.
In addition Dave Anthony also sent this recommendation of a video:-
Hi guys..
I think this bridge is actually a short distance from the level crossing at Wadebridge, on the Padstow side, marked as FB on the attached NLS map.
Also at seen at about 4.45 on this video on a unit travelling from Padstow in towards Wadebridge.
http://cornishmemory.com/item/MISC_260_03
Cheers Dave Anthony
And as a P.S. Dave included this :-
Eddystone Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pChwpBgKwa8ozP5b9
In the original photo I believe you can just make out the spire of Wadebridge town hall under the bridge, between the loco and the building. On this modern day Google map, the footbridge would be where the crossroad is directly in front.
Cheers again, Dave.
Try pasting the Cornish Memory link into your Google Search Box - and enjoy a fascinating ride from Padstow to Bodmin Road. The pictures vary in brightness quite a bit - perhaps this is best played via your TV where you can vary the brilliance as needed. Many thanks to you Dave for your contributions.
Hi guys..
I think this bridge is actually a short distance from the level crossing at Wadebridge, on the Padstow side, marked as FB on the attached NLS map.
Also at seen at about 4.45 on this video on a unit travelling from Padstow in towards Wadebridge.
http://cornishmemory.com/item/MISC_260_03
Cheers Dave Anthony
And as a P.S. Dave included this :-
Eddystone Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pChwpBgKwa8ozP5b9
In the original photo I believe you can just make out the spire of Wadebridge town hall under the bridge, between the loco and the building. On this modern day Google map, the footbridge would be where the crossroad is directly in front.
Cheers again, Dave.
Try pasting the Cornish Memory link into your Google Search Box - and enjoy a fascinating ride from Padstow to Bodmin Road. The pictures vary in brightness quite a bit - perhaps this is best played via your TV where you can vary the brilliance as needed. Many thanks to you Dave for your contributions.
Further queries from Mike Manning on the demolition of
Wadebridge station
Wadebridge station
Appeal for archive information
Wadebridge 1966 onwards. Member Mike Manning.
While working on my book of the run down and closure of the railways of Cornwall and Devon I have become stuck on the details of its track lifting. I have details of the lifting of the Padstow to the Quay junction at Wadebridge by May of 1968. The quay sidings were still in use until April 1973.
After that the tracks were lifted up to inside the level crossing gates. When?
The Signal box and the pedestrian footbridge were demolished as no longer
needed. When? All tracks within the Wadebridge station area were lifted by a different
Contractor to the one that lifted the Padstow section. When?
Was this photo below in my collection part of this clearance?
Wadebridge 1966 onwards. Member Mike Manning.
While working on my book of the run down and closure of the railways of Cornwall and Devon I have become stuck on the details of its track lifting. I have details of the lifting of the Padstow to the Quay junction at Wadebridge by May of 1968. The quay sidings were still in use until April 1973.
After that the tracks were lifted up to inside the level crossing gates. When?
The Signal box and the pedestrian footbridge were demolished as no longer
needed. When? All tracks within the Wadebridge station area were lifted by a different
Contractor to the one that lifted the Padstow section. When?
Was this photo below in my collection part of this clearance?
Copyright Michael Manning.
No contractor used a crane mounted on rails on the Padstow section or on the
Ex-B&WR section.
Also when was the NCR lifting to Wadebridge completed ?
I have a picture of Delabole minus its tracks in April 1968, but no completion
date at Wadebridge.
Any snippets of information will be gratefully received to complete this Cornwall
Section of my book.
What is needed is a note saying MICHAEL IS SPELT MICHEALMANNING
Thank you to Keith and Roger. Replies to michealmanning@hotmail.com
Ex-B&WR section.
Also when was the NCR lifting to Wadebridge completed ?
I have a picture of Delabole minus its tracks in April 1968, but no completion
date at Wadebridge.
Any snippets of information will be gratefully received to complete this Cornwall
Section of my book.
What is needed is a note saying MICHAEL IS SPELT MICHEALMANNING
Thank you to Keith and Roger. Replies to michealmanning@hotmail.com
Pinkson Creek
Courtesy of the Mike Morant collection we have a picture of an up train crossing Pinkson Creek in charge of 41290. Pinkson Creek is a small inlet just over two rail miles from Padstow. The river Camel and Cant Hill are visible in the background.
Maunsell'N' class mogul No. 31853 on freight duty is about to cross the little bridge spanning the entry to Pinkson Creek between Wadebridge and Padstow. 31853 was an Exmouth Junction engine form March 1959 until withdrawal in September 1964. Caption and photograph courtesy of the Mike Morant Collection
Little Petherick Creek Bridge
Padstow
Courtesy Mike Morant Collection
Maunsell N class mogul no 31841 stands in the sidings at Padstow at the head of a train. She was shedded at Exmouth Junction at the time. These engines were known to crews as 'Woolworths' - probably a corruption of Woolwich, because 50 of them were built as kits of parts at the Royal Arsenal at Woolwich in order to maintain employment after the end of the first world war. The newly-constituted Southern Railway bought the kits and put the engines in service as class 'N'. 31841 remained in the west. She was withdrawn in March 1964. Copyright Roy Hart
A nice action shot as 34076 41 Squadron starts to move away from Padstow station. Courtesy Mike Morant Collection
Padstow caught at a quiet time on the 3rd October 1957 The Late Jon Wood Collection Copyright
Padstow station seen here in January 1964 Copyright Mike Roach
257 Squadron Battle of Britain Class has come to a stop just prior to the run round loop. 9th September 1963. Spare coaching stock stands adjacent to the fish sheds. Copyright Mike Roach
Padstow 31856 is held by the signal as it stands beside the charming signalbox, the signalman gets a good view of the platform and the yard through his gothic windows. Beyond, in the distance can be seen the waters of the river Camel. The train will briefly disappear from sight before reappearing on the distant banks having crossed Little Petherick Creek bridge. 9th Sep 63 Copyright Mike Roach
Padstow 31856 is prepared for the journey ahead on the North Cornwall Line 9th Sep 63 Copyright Mike Roach
A lovely shot by Sid Sponheimer of Padstow in its latter days. Copyright.
Padstow , the railcar in August 1965 Copyright John Ball
Picture taken from a DMU running into Padstow station in 1965. Copyright Julian Stephens. Info supplied 13th July 2016 - this picture was taken shortly after midday on the 29th April 1965.
Hi Keith,
I do quite a lot of work for Nick Catford's Disused Stations website. We are currently working on updating the Padstow pages and I have been doing research in connection with this.
The photograph above appears on your website, with a question regarding the train at the platform and I may be able to help.
The train on the left is entering, not at, the platform and this is the reason for the blur in the foreground. It is a single-unit DMU, as it that stabled on the loop. Behind the railcar on the loop are some more vehicles; I cannot identify them but may be the stock for used for the school train.
I suspect the photograph was taken on a Saturday when, during the summer, a service from Wadebridge arrived at Padstow during the afternoon (one timetable shows it arriving 2.14pm) with another from Bodmin North arriving twenty minutes later. Regulations would have required the 2.14pm arrival to clear the platform, thus this will be the railcar stabled on the loop. Return workings are a little unclear; there was a 2.52pm departure for Bodmin North followed by a 3.13pm departure for Wadebridge which appears to have continued, for some odd reason, as a separate service to Bodmin Road although this may have been a separate train. What is unclear is that both departures from Padstow ran every weekday so apart from on Saturdays there must have been some empty stock working or two railcars coupled together in the Down direction Monday - Friday.
I must stress that the above is just my conclusion and is not confirmed evidence. Nonetheless I might help to answer the question with the photograph on your website.
Thanks and regards,
Darren Kitson. Thank you for your thoughts Darren
I do quite a lot of work for Nick Catford's Disused Stations website. We are currently working on updating the Padstow pages and I have been doing research in connection with this.
The photograph above appears on your website, with a question regarding the train at the platform and I may be able to help.
The train on the left is entering, not at, the platform and this is the reason for the blur in the foreground. It is a single-unit DMU, as it that stabled on the loop. Behind the railcar on the loop are some more vehicles; I cannot identify them but may be the stock for used for the school train.
I suspect the photograph was taken on a Saturday when, during the summer, a service from Wadebridge arrived at Padstow during the afternoon (one timetable shows it arriving 2.14pm) with another from Bodmin North arriving twenty minutes later. Regulations would have required the 2.14pm arrival to clear the platform, thus this will be the railcar stabled on the loop. Return workings are a little unclear; there was a 2.52pm departure for Bodmin North followed by a 3.13pm departure for Wadebridge which appears to have continued, for some odd reason, as a separate service to Bodmin Road although this may have been a separate train. What is unclear is that both departures from Padstow ran every weekday so apart from on Saturdays there must have been some empty stock working or two railcars coupled together in the Down direction Monday - Friday.
I must stress that the above is just my conclusion and is not confirmed evidence. Nonetheless I might help to answer the question with the photograph on your website.
Thanks and regards,
Darren Kitson. Thank you for your thoughts Darren
Further information regarding the picture by Julian Stephens above - Julian reports that it was taken shortly after midday on Thursday the 29th April 1965.
The updated Disused Stations Padstow section is now live: http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/index.shtml. Martin James was the author of the original page. I researched and wrote the majority of the image captions and Nick Catford put it all together.
Regards, Darren Kitson. The above is a highly recommended website on Padstow, superbly compiled and very detailed.
Regards, Darren Kitson. The above is a highly recommended website on Padstow, superbly compiled and very detailed.
Padstow station turntable in September 1966 Copyright Doug Nicholls
Padstow station in September 1966 Copyright Doug Nicholls Potential passengers pass the time of day on the station seat.
Padstow Station on 24th June 2013 home of the Padstow Town Council. Copyright Roger Winnen
Padstow - the fish quays
A very interesting view dated 1905 showing how the railway served the fish quays beyond the station. The area is dominated by the Metropole Hotel top right. The Alan Harris Collection
The Metropole Hotel from the station side. The Alan Harris Collection
The Alan Harris Collection
An LSWR wagon amongst the fishing fleet at Padsow. From the Alan Harris Collection
What's it like now?
Andrew Triggs takes a walk down the line from Wadebridge to Padstow in September 2017
Andrew Triggs takes a walk down the line from Wadebridge to Padstow in September 2017
Posts nr Wadebridge. 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
Walk 2 Bridge on Wadebridge - Padstow line . 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
Walk 3 Yes it's a railway relic. Ballast bin - Wadebridge - Padstow line. 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
Walk 4 Looking back at Little Petherwick bridge. . 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
Walk 5 Padstow station on the 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
Walk 6 Padstow station spick and span. Doesn't the red telephone box make the picture - just like semaphore signals do. . 29th September 2017 Copyright Andrew Triggs
DEMOLITION IN THE WADEBRIDGE AREA
Notes kindly supplied by Andrew Jones in response to a request from Michael Manning.
Notes kindly supplied by Andrew Jones in response to a request from Michael Manning.
Dear Mr Manning,
Keith has kindly passed on your enquiry concerning the recovery of redundant materials post closure of much of the southern railway in North Cornwall.
Unfortunately I was really too young when much of the ‘withered arm’ was dismantled and not being a ‘rivet counter,’ much to my regret, did not take many notes.
However when the Bodmin to Wadebridge section finally closed a decade after passenger services ceased I was in a position to participate in a positive way and managed to at least convince the local authority to preserve the track bed from Wadebridge to Boscarne.
I do have extensive records of this section including the exact dates of track sections and geographical positions of all infrastructure.
To answer your specific questions it is important to understand the political situation at the time of initial closure in the late 60’s and subsequent closure of all services in 1978.
The Wadebridge to Padstow section was a profitable line summer and winter, but due to government policy post Beeching it was trying to off load a general responsibility to the public purse.
The railway was a big employer in Wadebridge and when closure was announced a number of employees took redundancy, some transferred to other regions and some were employed for a limited period recovering redundant materials and this is why the Padstow section was lifted in what some called indecent haste.
Obviously in the late 60’s there was a massive amount of scrap metal stockpiled and thoughts of re use elsewhere on the network couldn’t be further from the minds of BR management.
Anyone who bought a mk1 Ford Escort at the time will testify that the high levels of scrap metal used by the steel manufacturers in the production of this vehicle caused premature catastrophic corrosion with panels and chassis rusting through in less that 5 years!
I was lucky to have spoken to Arthur Ferret in the mid 80’s who was a driver at Wadebridge for many years and he did explain that some of the track from the Padstow section was recovered by BR for future use and much of the track was removed using rail vehicles.
From 1968 until the early 80’s, first the wharf sidings were removed back to the town centre level crossing, which always caused a bottleneck on the busy main road.
On final closure there were some hopes of retaining the railway and I know Rusty Eplett was keen to retain a railway presence in Wadebridge but unfortunately BR was under pressure to maximise its assets so eventually track lifting commenced in 1980.
Irons Brothers of Wadebridge scrapped the station area and although pointwork is the most expensive part of rail infrastructure it is also the most difficult to remove. Most of the station rail layout was cut up into short metre lengths for use at the local foundry. Photographs of the Helston track lifting especially around the station met a similar fate.
However from Wadebridge to Boscarne most of the rails were returned to Par by road.
A small team of operators worked from Wadebridge using a trolley and gas bottles cutting all the fishplates and extracting the keys. The rails were placed either side of the trackbed and the sleepers were recovered with a mobile crane and lorry. Eventually the rails were collected and returned to BR.
By the 1980’s chaired rail was becoming difficult to obtain so the value had increased and for a short while much was re used elsewhere on the secondary network.
I hope this answers some of your questions
best wishes Andrew
Keith has kindly passed on your enquiry concerning the recovery of redundant materials post closure of much of the southern railway in North Cornwall.
Unfortunately I was really too young when much of the ‘withered arm’ was dismantled and not being a ‘rivet counter,’ much to my regret, did not take many notes.
However when the Bodmin to Wadebridge section finally closed a decade after passenger services ceased I was in a position to participate in a positive way and managed to at least convince the local authority to preserve the track bed from Wadebridge to Boscarne.
I do have extensive records of this section including the exact dates of track sections and geographical positions of all infrastructure.
To answer your specific questions it is important to understand the political situation at the time of initial closure in the late 60’s and subsequent closure of all services in 1978.
The Wadebridge to Padstow section was a profitable line summer and winter, but due to government policy post Beeching it was trying to off load a general responsibility to the public purse.
The railway was a big employer in Wadebridge and when closure was announced a number of employees took redundancy, some transferred to other regions and some were employed for a limited period recovering redundant materials and this is why the Padstow section was lifted in what some called indecent haste.
Obviously in the late 60’s there was a massive amount of scrap metal stockpiled and thoughts of re use elsewhere on the network couldn’t be further from the minds of BR management.
Anyone who bought a mk1 Ford Escort at the time will testify that the high levels of scrap metal used by the steel manufacturers in the production of this vehicle caused premature catastrophic corrosion with panels and chassis rusting through in less that 5 years!
I was lucky to have spoken to Arthur Ferret in the mid 80’s who was a driver at Wadebridge for many years and he did explain that some of the track from the Padstow section was recovered by BR for future use and much of the track was removed using rail vehicles.
From 1968 until the early 80’s, first the wharf sidings were removed back to the town centre level crossing, which always caused a bottleneck on the busy main road.
On final closure there were some hopes of retaining the railway and I know Rusty Eplett was keen to retain a railway presence in Wadebridge but unfortunately BR was under pressure to maximise its assets so eventually track lifting commenced in 1980.
Irons Brothers of Wadebridge scrapped the station area and although pointwork is the most expensive part of rail infrastructure it is also the most difficult to remove. Most of the station rail layout was cut up into short metre lengths for use at the local foundry. Photographs of the Helston track lifting especially around the station met a similar fate.
However from Wadebridge to Boscarne most of the rails were returned to Par by road.
A small team of operators worked from Wadebridge using a trolley and gas bottles cutting all the fishplates and extracting the keys. The rails were placed either side of the trackbed and the sleepers were recovered with a mobile crane and lorry. Eventually the rails were collected and returned to BR.
By the 1980’s chaired rail was becoming difficult to obtain so the value had increased and for a short while much was re used elsewhere on the secondary network.
I hope this answers some of your questions
best wishes Andrew
Demolition well under way at Wadebridge, Copyright Andrew Jones
Demolition at Polbrock. Copyright Andrew Jones.
Polbrock to Grogley Demolition Copyright Andrew Jones
Demolition at Grogley. Copyright Andrew Jones.
Demolition at Nanstallon. Copyright Andrew Jones
More demolition near Nanstallon. Copyright Andrew Jones.
Not quite sure where this is Copyright Andrew Jones.
Many thanks Andrew.