Our next indoor meeting:
September 14th 2024
Malcolm Gould from the China Clay History Society
will present an evening of films made for E.C.L.P. at the Cornwall Railway Society meeting, in The Memorial Hall which stands over the tunnel at Redruth Station, commencing at 18.30hrs
A show not to be missed!
September 14th 2024
Malcolm Gould from the China Clay History Society
will present an evening of films made for E.C.L.P. at the Cornwall Railway Society meeting, in The Memorial Hall which stands over the tunnel at Redruth Station, commencing at 18.30hrs
A show not to be missed!
Exeter St David.s &
Dawlish Warren
Michael Forward
Dawlish Warren
Michael Forward
Hello Roger, Lovely pictures again from 1976/77 .I especially liked the class 25. Here is a picture from Michael Adams showing 45026 at St.Davids on 25 June 1983 with the 14.20 Paignton to Nottingham service. Thanks, Michael. Copyright Michael Adams
Roger, Another one from Michael shows 50006 storming through Dawlish Warren on 6 August 1983 with the 15.55 from Paignton To Paddington. Thanks and best wishes, Michael Copyright Michael Adams
Many Thanks Michael
Rail Holiday at St Germans
Andrew Triggs
Andrew Triggs
Hi Roger/Keith/Jon
Staying once more at Railholiday at St Germans and recorded a few of the passing Castle sets plying their trade between Penzance and Plymouth before the weather turned in once again
All the Best
Andrew
Staying once more at Railholiday at St Germans and recorded a few of the passing Castle sets plying their trade between Penzance and Plymouth before the weather turned in once again
All the Best
Andrew
43092 with 43093 arriving at St Germans working 2P08 08.50 Penzance-Plymouth. Copyright Andrew Triggs
43188 with 43187 awaits St Germans departure working 2C65 10.42 Plymouth-Penzance, viewed from Ragg overbridge. Copyright Andrew Triggs
43156 with 43042 passing Polbathic overbridge working 2P15 12.50 Penzance-Plymouth. Copyright Andrew Triggs
43187 with 43188 approaching Trerule overbridge working 2P16 13.15 Penzance-Plymouth. Copyright Andrew Triggs
Also earlier on, 800311 crossing St Germans Viaduct working 1C76 10.03 London Paddington-Penzance Copyright Andrew Triggs
Many Thanks Andrew
Early 1977
Roger Winnen
Part 2
Dear Roger,
I've had a look at your latest installment of photos on the CRS Website during 1977, think I can identify some of the locos in the article. The class 50 next to the turntable at St. Blazey, 29/01/77 gives a clue (like the Westerns did), with its headcode box. As the use of four character box was being abolished at this time the box was set to give the loco's number minus one 0, so the fourth character is a 2 making it 5032 or 50032 "Courageous". The class 08 in the next image with a class 25 this is 08113, this being allocated to St. Blazey at the time.
The class 25's are much harder to identify because of the bodyshells. There were three variants of class 25, variant one and two having both the earlier and later style of cab ends. Early series one loco's initially had the communicating doors on the front end, but these were phased out to be replaced by just a bigger centre cab window. However later Darlington built loco's (25235 is definitely one), still had the earlier design because BR did not supply them with the modified diagrams and thus constructed as such. Other lower numbered locos however had already been built minus this feature, so without a clear shot of the numbers I can't help with these! Variant three class 25 all had the later front end but with some body side detail differences.
As a point of interest Darlington built class 37's were also built without receiving all the updated plans. The giveaway is the extra vertical straps on the upper body side cantrail grills, these are situated from No2 cab (electrical and boiler end), along to where the power unit sits. These straps are present on the pre-production EE loco's D6700 to D6705 but were not used on any other EE build, however these are present on all the Darlington examples. Ex St. Blazey allocated 37670 and 672 are examples
I've had a look at your latest installment of photos on the CRS Website during 1977, think I can identify some of the locos in the article. The class 50 next to the turntable at St. Blazey, 29/01/77 gives a clue (like the Westerns did), with its headcode box. As the use of four character box was being abolished at this time the box was set to give the loco's number minus one 0, so the fourth character is a 2 making it 5032 or 50032 "Courageous". The class 08 in the next image with a class 25 this is 08113, this being allocated to St. Blazey at the time.
The class 25's are much harder to identify because of the bodyshells. There were three variants of class 25, variant one and two having both the earlier and later style of cab ends. Early series one loco's initially had the communicating doors on the front end, but these were phased out to be replaced by just a bigger centre cab window. However later Darlington built loco's (25235 is definitely one), still had the earlier design because BR did not supply them with the modified diagrams and thus constructed as such. Other lower numbered locos however had already been built minus this feature, so without a clear shot of the numbers I can't help with these! Variant three class 25 all had the later front end but with some body side detail differences.
As a point of interest Darlington built class 37's were also built without receiving all the updated plans. The giveaway is the extra vertical straps on the upper body side cantrail grills, these are situated from No2 cab (electrical and boiler end), along to where the power unit sits. These straps are present on the pre-production EE loco's D6700 to D6705 but were not used on any other EE build, however these are present on all the Darlington examples. Ex St. Blazey allocated 37670 and 672 are examples
Dear Roger,
I saw the updated write up in the CRS website today regarding the class 25 next to 08113 as being 235, it's not this loco! I put that number in just as an example of a later build batch which had the earlier series one style body shell. I've done a search this afternoon, in early 1977 locally based class 25 with this type of body are either 25052, 223, 224, 225 or 227. Looking further at certain details of the loco, my money would be on it being 25052.
Your image at Redruth fascinated me with the Swindon class 120 DMU in consist of the parcels. I believe the same two 25's you photographed at Penzance, one being 25216, are the same two locos you captured at Redruth. Both loco's number 1 end (radiator), are facing towards London the same as in the Penzance image. The class 120 in consist is set P553: 51574 + 59284 + 51583.
Hope this helps to fill in some of the blanks in your archives, keep them coming Roger!
Regards
Karl.
I saw the updated write up in the CRS website today regarding the class 25 next to 08113 as being 235, it's not this loco! I put that number in just as an example of a later build batch which had the earlier series one style body shell. I've done a search this afternoon, in early 1977 locally based class 25 with this type of body are either 25052, 223, 224, 225 or 227. Looking further at certain details of the loco, my money would be on it being 25052.
Your image at Redruth fascinated me with the Swindon class 120 DMU in consist of the parcels. I believe the same two 25's you photographed at Penzance, one being 25216, are the same two locos you captured at Redruth. Both loco's number 1 end (radiator), are facing towards London the same as in the Penzance image. The class 120 in consist is set P553: 51574 + 59284 + 51583.
Hope this helps to fill in some of the blanks in your archives, keep them coming Roger!
Regards
Karl.
Many Thanks Karl
29.01.1977 - SIGN GWR Makers 1899. Copyright Roger Winnen
29.01.1977 - St Blazey Turntable with an unrefurbished Class 500032 present - was this a common occurance at this time? Copyright Roger Winnen
29.01.1977 - A Class 25235 and a Class 08113 at St Blazey.Copyright Roger Winnen
29.01.1977 - A light Crane at St Blazey. Copyright Roger Winnen
29.01.1977 - Class 25s and classic cars at Penzance. Copyright Roger Winnen
30.01.1977 - D1048 Western Lady backs out at Penzance. Copyright Roger Winnen
30.01.1977 - More Class 25s at Penzance. Copyright Roger Winnen
Thanks Roger - more coming soon!
You wait all day for a Class 10 to show up...
Jon Hird
... And then two turn up at once! Ex-Felixstowe Port D3489 arrives at Bodmin Parkway with Ex-Fowey Docks D3452 and the GWR 'Chariot' shunters truck W41799, also ex-Fowey. 10.09.2024, Copyright Jon Hird.
D3489 prepares to propel D3452 into the shed at Parkway for further storage whilst a GWR HST (43093 and 43092) arrives with a Plymouth - Penzance service. 10.09.2024, Copyright Jon Hird.
D3452 has been in storage for a number of years. It has suffered a shifted crank on one of its wheelsets, which severely limited its speed and saw it confined to yard duties at Bodmin General. It was temporarily brought out of storage last week and tripped back up to Bodmin General to be put on display during the railways 'Clay Gala'. 10.09.2024, Copyright Jon Hird.
43093 departs for the West past the pair of shunters. Hopefully we'll see D3452 repaired and back in use one day. 10.09.2024, Copyright Jon Hird.
And a related photo from our Fowey Docks Section:
From the CRS archives - At Fowey Carne Point, an unknown and scrap condition 08xxx coupled to Class 10 D3452. A CDA wagon is present along with a couple of clay hoods. Copyright the late Keith Lloyd.
A few more images down the article from the late Keith Lloyd at Fowey, I believe these are both class 10 not just one. D3452 is indeed one of them, the other nearest the camera looking at the wear around the number and a different placement of the overhead wire warning flash plate I believe is D3497. There was a third loco at ECC Fowey being D3476, three were sent down to Cornwall, two as runners and D3497 as source of spare parts.
Hope this helps to fill in some blanks!
Regards
Karl Hewlett - Friends Of Penmere
Hope this helps to fill in some blanks!
Regards
Karl Hewlett - Friends Of Penmere
Many Thanks Karl